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Poll: Panzer 1 Ausf. C Solution (38 members have cast votes)

Is this a good solution to the Panzer 1 C?

  1. Yes (10 votes [26.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.32%

  2. No (26 votes [68.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 68.42%

  3. No, but i will post my ideas below (2 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

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apollokenney #1 Posted Feb 17 2013 - 05:42

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After playing the Panzer 1 C several times i noticed several things:
1) The gun has no accuracy
2) The gun has no pen
3) The tank is hellafast, with pretty good acceleration

My Proposed changes to the gun would be as follows:
1) Keep the pen the same (Buff it max 10mm)
2) Buff accuracy to .05 - .1 m (For comparison, the E50M has .3 accuracy)
3) Replace the autocannon feature with a 30 round semi-auto clip (like the T1E6)
4) Make the aiming time 3.0 seconds

How will this fix it?

His is the only way i can see this tank's gun buffed without it being replaced. The accuracy will enable you hit weakspots like the driver's hatch every time, while the 7 DMG per hit and 3 second aim time wont be OP. This tank will sacrifice pen and damage for accuracy. It is, after all an antitank rifle, and they weren't known to be very innacurate.


So, what are your thoughts on this idea?

halfeatenham #2 Posted Feb 17 2013 - 05:48

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Legiondude #3 Posted Feb 17 2013 - 05:52

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More accurate than the E-50M? What?

apollokenney #4 Posted Feb 17 2013 - 05:55

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View PostLegiondude, on Feb 17 2013 - 05:52, said:

More accurate than the E-50M? What?
The E50M sacrifices DPM for its accuracy. This proposed buff will sacrifice DMG, pen, aim time, and ROF for accuracy.

View PostApplesauceBandit, on Feb 17 2013 - 05:58, said:

3 second aim time?  The type 59 and the ELC AMX have faster aim times.
Also for balance.

Edited by apollokenney, Feb 17 2013 - 05:59.


ApplesauceBandit #5 Posted Feb 17 2013 - 05:58

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3 second aim time?  The type 59 and the ELC AMX have faster aim times.

sax202 #6 Posted Feb 17 2013 - 06:15

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terribad idea

tvanderhart #7 Posted Feb 17 2013 - 06:16

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I would play that, but it's probably not happening.

Buck_Rogers #8 Posted Feb 20 2013 - 03:11

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The Pz.ICs gun is a 7.92mm gun. That's the smallest gun in the entire game.

The pen is horrible.

I zoomed into an enemy base, and found 2 Tier IV arty all by their lonesome. After about 5 reloads, I still had barely damaged them. Shooting at direct angles to their rear, and sides. Then another PZ.IC came up on me. I figured I was probably better nibbling the arty to death than trying to take out the enemy IC. Long story short, many, many more reloads later, the damn arty was still there and the IC had nibbled me to death. Fluke? Arty with higher armor than I expected? Could be.

But the that glorified pop gun the IC has is terrible.

Also, they got it wrong.

The EW141 was semi-automatic, not full auto.

I think an acceptable buff/nerf/smurf would be to give the EW141 gun a "one shot per trigger pull" firing rate, and virtually no reload time. Ever. No recoil re-aim time would be handy too.

Never, ever, having to wait for reload with the EW141 would make up for its massive flaws currently, and would be more historically accurate.

apollokenney #9 Posted Feb 20 2013 - 03:41

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View PostBuck_Rogers, on Feb 20 2013 - 03:11, said:

The Pz.ICs gun is a 7.92mm gun. That's the smallest gun in the entire game.

The pen is horrible.

I zoomed into an enemy base, and found 2 Tier IV arty all by their lonesome. After about 5 reloads, I still had barely damaged them. Shooting at direct angles to their rear, and sides. Then another PZ.IC came up on me. I figured I was probably better nibbling the arty to death than trying to take out the enemy IC. Long story short, many, many more reloads later, the damn arty was still there and the IC had nibbled me to death. Fluke? Arty with higher armor than I expected? Could be.

But the that glorified pop gun the IC has is terrible.

Also, they got it wrong.

The EW141 was semi-automatic, not full auto.

I think an acceptable buff/nerf/smurf would be to give the EW141 gun a "one shot per trigger pull" firing rate, and virtually no reload time. Ever. No recoil re-aim time would be handy too.

Never, ever, having to wait for reload with the EW141 would make up for its massive flaws currently, and would be more historically accurate.
Yeah. then you'd have people smashing their mouse buttons spamming shells.

Buck_Rogers #10 Posted Feb 20 2013 - 04:43

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I'm not really sure there's any way to remedy the IC, except to bump it down to Tier II. It's simply ridiculously weak for Tier III. I get that it's supposed to be a dedicated scout. But it's probably the first dedicated scout that is almost guaranteed to never get a Top Gun badge.

I'm actually upset at the whole SNAFU of that tech tree stub...

The Panzer I was an accident. It was a training tank rushed into frontline service. Had it seen production, the friggin Loltractor would have been a FAR better combat vehicle. It shouldn't be Tier II. It shouldn't even be in the game.

And putting it in there as a Tier II messed everything up. Now, the Panzer I Ausf C has to be a tier III!? The Luchs has to be a Tier IV!? Wholly heck.

The Luchs wasn't even a flawless tank! I managed a 55% win rate in it, with 5 Top Guns out of 260 games. 321 tanks killed. That's acceptably decent, but not fabulous. And now it's a Tier IV!? And the VASTLY superior, over armored T-127 gets to stay as a Tier III? What a horrible, horrible situation.

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If they want to bring the PZ-1 of any kind into this game it should be a replacement for the Loltracktor. It was truly Germanys Tier 1 take. Makeing it in to a tier 2 and three tanks just shows how much they Russains hate the German tank lines. It is like putting a WWI bi plane up agaisnt the P-51 mustang, could it shot down the P-51, yes if it was VERY lucky. Would I want to try it, no.

Please forgive my spelling and have a nice day :)

Buck_Rogers #12 Posted Feb 20 2013 - 05:37

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I would agree with that. All other Tier I vehicles in WoT either had series production or were upgraded continuously for many years. While the T1 Cunningham was never actually adopted by the army, it was evolved through many variations and certainly played a part in the further development of US armored vehicles.

The Loltractor was a dead end. It, and the Grosstractor series of vehicles, were meant as a crash course to modernize Germanys understanding of tank production after their less than stellar debut in WWI.

The Pz.I with dual MG would be a great base model Tier I. With "K Bullet" rounds, they could chew up lighter armored tanks very easily, and could be upgraded with every weapon the current Tier II Pz.I has.

I think the Loltractor has to go, if WoT truly intends to add the Pz.I, Pz.IC, and Pz.IIG.

PzI - PzIC - PzIIG - Luchs - Leopard - VK2801.

Although I'm still not pleased about the Luchs & the others being tier bumped.. That could be addressed by simply eliminating the PzIIG however.

apollokenney #13 Posted Feb 21 2013 - 05:00

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Make the LTractor a premium. Make the panzer I the new tier 1 tank. That would help with the UPness of the PZ1.

Beecher #14 Posted Mar 12 2013 - 11:28

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It belongs with other low tiers, yet tends to face tier 5's with the 7.62, and is useless.

rossmum #15 Posted Mar 12 2013 - 18:39

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Not viable in tier 5 battles?

http://mwreplays.com/newreplaysimg/80980bdcd4be954481f23bccf06a03a5.png

Ahahahahaha yeah okay.

Beecher #16 Posted Mar 15 2013 - 16:31

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You killed one artillery, now try going at a KV-1, M4 Sherman, or an actual Tier 5 tank.

Master_Scrub #17 Posted Mar 15 2013 - 17:59

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Some people just don't get the whole "scout" thing.  The 1C does not need a better gun than it has.  It's adequate for the role it has in tier 5 battles.  If your team is expecting the 1C to take on a PZiv or a T1 Heavy, the issue here has nothing whatsoever to do with the tank (or it's gun)

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View PostBeecher, on Mar 15 2013 - 16:31, said:

You killed one artillery, now try going at a KV-1, M4 Sherman, or an actual Tier 5 tank.
Why in the hell would I ever want to go anywhere near a well-armoured tier 5 tank in a tier 3 light tank?

I am not sure you realise how this game works. I am also not sure you even bothered to pay attention during that replay, since the bit where having a bunch of tiny angry bees rampant in amongst their arty and squishy TDs made the enemy team crap the bed, allowing our bigger tanks to move in and stomp them. It's almost like that's what light tanks are supposed to do!

Strikeroflife #19 Posted Mar 16 2013 - 04:37

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what the PZ 1C needs a buff but its sooo much fun to drive i know sevral players in WFPK would be sad if it got changed the lover the auto canon and the speed and the accuracy its a in your face flanking tank not a sniper

ChrisConrad #20 Posted Mar 16 2013 - 04:39

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No sorry I like its current loading system.