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Vollketten #1 Posted Feb 28 2013 - 22:44

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I was wondering if anyone knew what (if anything) (I find varying sources saying different things) the official Heer designations were for various captured Soviet vehicles such as:

Captured KV-2 with German cupola fitted:
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Captured T-34/76 with German cupola fitted:
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and then I came across this one which is a new tank to me:

A KV-1 fitted with what appears to be a German 7.5cm L/43 gun and commanders cupola.
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Any thoughts?

Edited by Vollketten, Feb 28 2013 - 22:44.


thejoker91 #2 Posted Feb 28 2013 - 22:46

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Germans loved commanders cupolas huh?

Vollketten #3 Posted Feb 28 2013 - 22:47

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Must have had a stock of them lying around, maybe salvaged from their own knocked out vehicles I presume.

Life_In_Black #4 Posted Feb 28 2013 - 22:52

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Here you go: http://www.achtungpa...armed-force.htm I don't think it has designations for everything, as they may not all have been known, but it has pretty many of the designations the Germans used for captured equipment.

OhSlowpoke #5 Posted Feb 28 2013 - 22:52

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Having a good cuploa is worth it, irl. Both for the ability to see what you're doing, and the ability to escape if the tank is hit. Russian escape hatches were quite narrow.

BeingBadNotBeingGood #6 Posted Feb 28 2013 - 22:52

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View Postthejoker91, on Feb 28 2013 - 22:46, said:

Germans loved commanders cupolas huh?
German cupoulas did have better visibility.

XZ27 #7 Posted Feb 28 2013 - 22:55

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View Postthejoker91, on Feb 28 2013 - 22:46, said:

Germans loved commanders cupolas huh?
Well they liked their's more then the Russians.

Azanthriel #8 Posted Feb 28 2013 - 22:57

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View PostXZ27, on Feb 28 2013 - 22:55, said:

Well they liked their's more then the Russians.
who didn't?  :Smile_trollface-3:

Legiondude #9 Posted Feb 28 2013 - 22:57

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This site has tons of photos of Beutepanzers

And in order, it lists those tanks as:
PzKpfW KV-2 754®
PzKpfW KV-1B/C 753® - KV-1C was the designation for the 75mm L/43 mod
PzKpfW T-34 747® mod. 1942-43 - The mod. bit is suspect, there were several versions of the T-34 in Wehrmact service and a clear view of that turret is required for me to ID

Edited by Legiondude, Feb 28 2013 - 23:01.


SULOMON #10 Posted Feb 28 2013 - 22:59

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Those are planned premium tanks. Look in the wiki.

Vollketten #11 Posted Feb 28 2013 - 23:00

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Thank you chaps.

XZ27 #12 Posted Feb 28 2013 - 23:08

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View PostAzanthriel, on Feb 28 2013 - 22:57, said:

who didn't?  :Smile_trollface-3:

German cupoulas are HUGE!

Zaffwyn #13 Posted Feb 28 2013 - 23:22

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View PostSULOMON, on Feb 28 2013 - 22:59, said:

Those are planned premium tanks. Look in the wiki.

True, these pics came from a skin/mod site but these are most likely what they will look like I guess.

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WeaponsCrate #14 Posted Feb 28 2013 - 23:30

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Is that a t-34-85 with a....short 88?!

oh and do the side skits count as spaced armour?

Edited by WeaponsCrate, Feb 28 2013 - 23:31.


Legiondude #15 Posted Feb 28 2013 - 23:39

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View PostWeaponsCrate, on Feb 28 2013 - 23:30, said:

Is that a t-34-85 with a....short 88?!

oh and do the side skits count as spaced armour?
Dude, it's just a skin over a VK3001P

WeaponsCrate #16 Posted Feb 28 2013 - 23:41

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....derp. Well, I'm going to move on from this thread now.

Zaffwyn #17 Posted Feb 28 2013 - 23:42

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View PostWeaponsCrate, on Feb 28 2013 - 23:30, said:

Is that a t-34-85 with a....short 88?!

oh and do the side skits count as spaced armour?

Yep.

And maybe (this answer goes for if it were real not actually for the skin), it might count as spaced armor, if not it might be a cosmetic look similar to the Pz IV Schmalturm mine fence where its not part of the hitbox.

But like I said these are only reskins, but if they are added in the game as actual tanks all the above would be my best answers.

Magick #18 Posted Feb 28 2013 - 23:53

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Germans weren't beyond using tech that they captured in the front line. In fact, most of the early tanks (until Panzers III's started making it to the front) were captured from one nation or another.  One thing I always found funny though was how they handled the armored trains.

The BP-42, and later BP-44 trains featured "artillery" wagons.  Not artillery like an SPG, but basically a tank turret on an armored railcar to defend the train from enemy tanks.  In the early 42 designation trains, this was a low rated gun that couldn't really penetrate the armor of the Soviet tanks these trains often came up against.  So what did the germans do?  Simple.  They snatched the turrets off a number of captured T34 tanks and swapped them out for the stock German turrets on the cars.  After a while, they rebuilt the guns, using a better sloped armor, but they kept the captured soviet tank guns (meaning the barrel and such) in service because they were better than anything that the Germans had at the time, at least better than anything they could put on the trains.  I've heard one suggestion that this may have been a logistic choice as much as an armament choice.  Since the trains would come against soviet units more often than not, it wasn't unreasonable to expect them to capture soviet munitions.  So replenishing the armoring wouldn't have been as hard as if the trains still used german guns.

Edit: Just a quick note.  The armored trains were used largely as mobile fortresses to secure areas that a stationary base wouldn't be able to. The average BP train had up to 12 total cars in it, with the locomotive in the center of the train and wagons on either end.

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This train consists of 1 flat car on each end, 1 panzer IV on a flatcar on each end, 1 artillery/aa wagon each end, 1 command wagon ("front") of train, 1 garrison car "rear" of train,  and 1 artillery wagon each end.  That in the center is the locomotive and its two tenders.  It pushed one and pulled the other.

The extra flat cars on the end are actually there to do nothing more than derail.  The trains didn't operate very quickly, and if the forward car derailed, then the train would be relatively undamaged.  Each flat also carried the tools and materials to fix the track should they need to.  Top speed was maybe 20 mph, if that.

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The Germans were smart on the use of captured equipment.  They rechambered the 7.62mm Soviet anit-tank gun to 75mm and installed it on the Marder.  The German coupla offered better vision than what the Soviets had.  Also the Germans used captured shermans in the Ardennes.

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View Postmoose421, on Mar 17 2013 - 15:56, said:

The Germans were smart on the use of captured equipment.  They rechambered the 7.62mm Soviet anit-tank gun to 75mm and installed it on the Marder.  The German coupla offered better vision than what the Soviets had.  Also the Germans used captured shermans in the Ardennes.

What most people fail to realize is the Germans actual reliance on foreign equipment to make up for what their own armaments industry couldn't. I mean the amount of foreign weapons and vehicles impressed into German service is simply staggering.




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