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Daigensui #1 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 06:02

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With news that the Leopard 1 will be coming out in 8.5, I figured I might as well write a bit about the the proposed Tier VIII tank, to be branching out from the engine of the VK 3002 (DB): The Indien-Panzer.

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In the 1950's of the post-war world, many German engineers temporarily moved to Switzerland. However, given the lack of work (they had been working on weapons for a long time, after all), they needed to find something to do. Fortunately for the Germans, the Indians came along and opened a bid for an Indian tank.

What resulted from the contest was a joint effort of many German firms: Porsche for overall design, Daimler-Benz MB-837A 8-cyl diesel engine, Zahnradfabrik AG of Friedrichshafen track, Ruhrstahl for turret and gun. Optics and sights, as well as general production, was to be done in India by TATA. The following are the general specifications from that project:

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Years of development: 1954-1955.
Weight: Indian demand expected weight about 36-39 tons, the Germans projected about 40 tons.
Crew: 4
Engine: 8-cylinder diesel Daimler-Benz MB-837A, 670 hp
Power to weight ratio: 16.7 hp/ton
Maximum speed: 50 km/h
Caliber gun: 90 mm (Most likely a German adaptation of the 90 mm Gun M3 or the 9 cm PzKan 48)
Armor: Hull 90/90/40, turret 130/90/45, all of it cast

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Unfortunately, the Indians did not have the ability to cast such large parts (a problem that would plague many rising tank developers), and the winner was the Vickers with the Vijayanta, which was built entirely from welded rolled steel plates. However, this was not the end of the project, for it was the basis of the KW30, which in turn was the ancestor of the whole line of the Swiss Pz series.

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The Indien-Panzer basically follows the legacy of the VK 3002 (DB) in developing a mobile, lightly armored medium tank, with the lineage stretching into the Leopard 1. WG certainly chose a most suitable tank to link the "past" and the "future". May the Bundeswehr Eisernes Kreuz proudly show itself on the ancestor of the post-war German panzers.

CO_Andy89 #2 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 06:05

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Nice read.

otakuben #3 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 06:07

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Kankou if you keep doing this I"ll have to start giving you all my +1's and I'd really like to save them. Stop it damn you!

Also the indien-panzer

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Meplat #4 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 06:10

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Neat stuff Kankou. Much appreciated!

EnsignExpendable #5 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 06:11

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That looks like a T-54 that ate its vegetables as a child. Same ammo rack, right in the front of the hull!

Arisawa_Yuriko #6 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 06:12

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I really enjoy reading these posts from you it helps me learn more about these wonderful machines.
Cant wait for the next one!

OOPMan #7 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 06:15

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Sweet, looking forward to it

cwjian90 #8 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 06:19

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Was the Indien-Panzer ever considered for use by the Bundeswehr?

thetap #9 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 06:25

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Seems Tier 8 will remain a sweet spot for Mediums. Lots of great ones to choose from.

SdKfz252 #10 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 06:30

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I love it's T-34 Suspension, and it's Turret looks sexy!

Daigensui #11 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 06:58

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View Postcwjian90, on Mar 02 2013 - 06:19, said:

Was the Indien-Panzer ever considered for use by the Bundeswehr?

No, because the Bundeswehr didn't even exist during the development period, since it was established on November 12, 1955. It started out with M47 and M48 Patton tanks given by the American forces, but went straight into tank development which resulted in the Leopard 1.

glenrules7 #12 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 07:31

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any screenshots on the ingame version?

lft #13 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 07:33

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Is it confirmed that this will be researchable from the DB?

OOPMan #14 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 07:34

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View Postlft, on Mar 02 2013 - 07:33, said:

Is it confirmed that this will be researchable from the DB?

Not 100% confirmed but it seems like the most likely option.

Daigensui #15 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 07:36

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View Postglenrules7, on Mar 02 2013 - 07:31, said:

any screenshots on the ingame version?

Obviously no, since it's probably in supertesting right now, and even if I had screenshots I wouldn't want to get myself or someone banned, would I?


View Postlft, on Mar 02 2013 - 07:33, said:

Is it confirmed that this will be researchable from the DB?

It had been implied several times, with the engine being where the link would be.

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- the VK3002DB top engine might be unlocked for the tank following after it, "tests will show"


OOPMan #16 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 07:40

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Also:

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Keep in mind the WG have since amended the Tech Trees to not show vehicle lines not yet confirmed for a soon-to-be-released patch...

Edited by OOPMan, Mar 02 2013 - 07:41.


Daigensui #17 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 09:51

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Seems like the last sentence of my article came true.

Daigensui #18 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 10:01

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View PostKankou, on Mar 02 2013 - 07:36, said:

Obviously no, since it's probably in supertesting right now, and even if I had screenshots I wouldn't want to get myself or someone banned, would I?

*Silently adds in a small change to the original article*

Rosh87 #19 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 10:18

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View PostKankou, on Mar 02 2013 - 06:02, said:

With news that the Leopard 1 will be coming out in 8.5, I figured I might as well write a bit about the the propsed Tier VIII tank, to be branching out from the engine of the VK 3002 (DB): The Indien-Panzer.

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In the 1950's of the post-war world, many German engineers temporarily moved to Switzerland. However, given the lack of work (they had been working on weapons for a long time, after all), they needed to find something to do. Fortunately for the Germans, the Indians came along and opened a bid for an Indian tank.

What resulted from the contest was a joint effort of many German firms: Porsche for overall design, Daimler-Benz MB-837A 8-cyl diesel engine, Zahnradfabrik AG of Friedrichshafen track, Ruhrstahl for turret and gun. Optics and sights, as well as general production, was to be done in India by TATA. The following are the general specifications from that project:

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Years of development: 1954-1955.
Weight: Indian demand expected weight about 36-39 tons, the Germans projected about 40 tons.
Crew: 4
Engine: 8-cylinder diesel Daimler-Benz MB-837A, 670 hp
Power to weight ratio: 16.7 hp/ton
Maximum speed: 50 km/h
Caliber gun: 90 mm (Most likely a German adaptation of the 90 mm Gun M3 or the 9 cm PzKan 48)
Armor: Hull 90/40/40, turret 130/70/70, all of it cast

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Unfortunately, the Indians did not have the ability to cast such large parts (a problem that would plague many rising tank developers), and the winner was the Vickers with the Vijayanta, which was built entirely from welded rolled steel plates. However, this was not the end of the project, for it was the basis of the KW30, which in turn was the ancestor of the whole line of the Swiss Pz series.

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The Indien-Panzer basically follows the legacy of the VK 3002 (DB) in developing a mobile, lightly armored medium tank, with the lineage stretching into the Leopard 1. WG certainly chose a most suitable tank to link the "past" and the "future". May the Bundeswehr Eisernes Kreuz proudly show itself on the ancestor of the post-war German panzers.


thank you Kankou ! You put some time into this and got us some nice pics with info.  I was wondering where the name came from.  Very nice and +1.

ps- who is the armored girl in your pic ?  Is that from some tank anime thing or such ?

Ericridge #20 Posted Mar 02 2013 - 10:19

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So India never built the indian panzers enmasse? Or did they manage to do it?