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truthleaker #1 Posted Mar 05 2013 - 18:25

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I have 2 options kv1 or churchill I. evry1 seems to prefers the kv1. but i was looing into it and i prefer the churchill but im not sure. basiclay for only 2reasons it has beter accuracy i think its accuracy is a smaller number than kv1's so im assuming it has better accuracy. but especialy it has 40m more view range than kv1 andi wa thinking im going to use it as a sniper so that 40m is really helpful because ill get in like 2 shots before they even see me? i dont know what tpo do about churchill's long tracks should i always face the enemy or what. kv1 does 10 more damage per shot and shoots 26 per minute n church shoots 27 i dont know if that extra 1 round does that much difference. the only advantage of church is its 40m more view range. what should i do. kv1 has better armor and speed. i want to go with church but i dont wantto regret it later that i didnt choose kv

can i go all the way to tier 10 without spending real $ on this game and still win like 50% of the battles?

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View Posttruthleaker, on Mar 05 2013 - 18:25, said:

can i go all the way to tier 10 without spending real $ on this game and still win like 50% of the battles?
Yes, but it'll take forever.

truthleaker #3 Posted Mar 05 2013 - 18:29

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View PostBlackhawk874, on Mar 05 2013 - 18:28, said:

Yes, but it'll take forever.
thats ok, the only good im worried about is if people with premium tanks or gold ammo will have an advantage over us people who dont spend real $

Edited by truthleaker, Mar 05 2013 - 18:30.


stickjock #4 Posted Mar 05 2013 - 18:30

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KV-1 - Battles: 66 Wins: 32  WR: 48.48%
Churchill I -  Battles: 39 Wins: 24  WR: 61.54%

Been a long time now since I ran the KV-1... but having recently been running the Churchill I I have to say I much prefer the play style of the Church.  Seems it can take a bit more punishment than the KV-1 can and as long as you can get used to how slow it is she can really make a difference in battles...

EDIT - remember also, Gold ammo can be bought for silver now so anyone and everyone has access to it... not just those that spend real money...

Edited by stickjock, Mar 05 2013 - 18:31.


truthleaker #5 Posted Mar 05 2013 - 18:36

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View Poststickjock, on Mar 05 2013 - 18:30, said:

KV-1 - Battles: 66 Wins: 32  WR: 48.48%
Churchill I -  Battles: 39 Wins: 24  WR: 61.54%

Been a long time now since I ran the KV-1... but having recently been running the Churchill I I have to say I much prefer the play style of the Church.  Seems it can take a bit more punishment than the KV-1 can and as long as you can get used to how slow it is she can really make a difference in battles...

EDIT - remember also, Gold ammo can be bought for silver now so anyone and everyone has access to it... not just those that spend real money...
but church has worser armor in all 3 sides and longer? what do you mean it can take more punishment?

Haggis_of_Doom #6 Posted Mar 05 2013 - 18:37

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View Posttruthleaker, on Mar 05 2013 - 18:25, said:

but especialy it has 40m more view range than kv1 andi wa thinking im going to use it as a sniper so that 40m is really helpful because ill get in like 2 shots before they even see me?

Abandon this idea right now. If you want to snipe, find a sniping tank. At tier 5, that means TDs.

KV-1 and Churchill I are both close quarter fighters. We need your armor and HP on the front, not in the back sniping with less efficiency than a Marder II.

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View Posttruthleaker, on Mar 05 2013 - 18:36, said:

but church has worser armor in all 3 sides and longer? what do you mean it can take more punishment?
Yeah. Churchill does NOT have very good armor. It's turret is paper, and it's armor has no sloping, meaning anything with 110 pen wont't have much trouble penetrating it. The KV-1 however, has an awesome sloped plate that bounces anything that hits it, and it's turret has no problem bouncing guns with even 210 pen.

Eschaton #8 Posted Mar 05 2013 - 18:41

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If you know how to position it, the Churchill is quite tough. Granted, your tracks will hate you, but an immobilizing 0-HP hit is better than dying. Just be careful going around corners or playing peek-a-boom.

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View PostEschaton, on Mar 05 2013 - 18:41, said:

If you know how to position it, the Churchill is quite tough. Granted, your tracks will hate you, but an immobilizing 0-HP hit is better than dying. Just be careful going around corners or playing peek-a-boom.

^^... and like I said, been a long time since my KV-1 days, well over a year or more even... but again, have more fun in the Churchill... then again, that's just my opinion... might have to snag a KV-1 again just to do a compare for myself... tho' the only Soviet tanks I have now are a few premiums and my IS-8... and even then I don't run those much anymore...

Eschaton #10 Posted Mar 05 2013 - 18:46

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View PostHaggis_of_Doom, on Mar 05 2013 - 18:37, said:

Abandon this idea right now. If you want to snipe, find a sniping tank. At tier 5, that means TDs.

KV-1 and Churchill I are both close quarter fighters. We need your armor and HP on the front, not in the back sniping with less efficiency than a Marder II.

Then stop racing ahead of it. And no, the Churchill I isn't great in close. I have good luck sniping with mine though.

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View PostEschaton, on Mar 05 2013 - 18:46, said:

Then stop racing ahead of it. And no, the Churchill I isn't great in close. I have good luck sniping with mine though.
Leave sniping to tanks that are supposed to.

PoLLiToP #12 Posted Mar 05 2013 - 18:57

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KV-1
Battles  800 - Victories  465 (58,13%)

Churchill I
Battles  103 - Victories  63 (61,17%)

Personally, I had a blast with the church, the ROF and pen of the gun are great, but the kv1 is a much better tank overall. It can withstand more dmg against its peers (tier5 - even 6) and with the 85 and some prem rounds (which you can buy with silver btw) you can still inflict lots of dmg to tier 7s like T29 and such.
And, the best of all is that it earns tons of money compared with other tier 5s. I'm pretty sure it even earns more than my prem church and t25.
I'd advise to try both, but since you're not planning on spending real money in game you'll have limited garage slots, so my suggestion is follow the kv1 line, and keep it if possible.

Madox76 #13 Posted Mar 05 2013 - 19:19

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KV-1 is the Tier 5 heavy tank.  Its a monster pure and simple bounce alot of shots has decent hitpoints great gun selection.


Churchill is very fun too but its unangled armor and glaring weak spots not to mention city street length mean its a very unforgiving tank.  Can be played will for sure but not nearly as simple a ride as the KV-1.

Both tanks have good guns 57mm/6 pounder are amazing spam fire killers.  KV-1 does get mini derp with the 122, also gets a very powerful 85 mm (My fav choice).  Churchill doesn't get the derp gun but does get the Vicker HV great pen for tier 5 and okay damage at 135 avg.

I would recommend KV-1 and not worry to much about the finer points in game they become less noticeable (soviet not known for accuracy but trust me you can still use them for sniping if needed).  KV-1 also a great tank for weekend special use it to bulk up some credits and get churchill sooner or later.

meece #14 Posted Mar 05 2013 - 19:25

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My KV-1 is my primary money maker, netting on average 20000 credits per game, Out of 1000+ games with mine I think ive only lost credits maybe 1/2 doz times.
If you get the angle right the KV-1 will bounce round after round after round.
Use the 85mm gun on it and load up 3-4 gold rounds per game, even if your the bottom tank (which dosnt happen very often as the KV get excellent MM) you can still do a fair amount of damage with it, makes for a passable sniper too with the 85 although the view range is terrible.

BattlecryGWJ #15 Posted Mar 05 2013 - 19:26

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View Posttruthleaker, on Mar 05 2013 - 18:29, said:

thats ok, the only good im worried about is if people with premium tanks or gold ammo will have an advantage over us people who dont spend real $

Premium tanks earn more credits than other non-premium tanks at the same tier, but they do not perform as well as non-premium tanks of the same tier that are elited.

Premium ammo (previously only available for gold, now available for credits as well) does have a better initial pen value, but loses penetration more quickly than standard ammo at longer ranges.  Since this is available for credits you will see people shooting it more often than they used, but you can do this yourself without spending real money and it is not absolutely than standard AP rounds.

JLK_250 #16 Posted Mar 05 2013 - 20:14

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People have definitely gotten to tier 10 without spending any money.  Like someone said, it just takes time.  Also, you won't be able to buy as many premium rounds and will have to keep a fleet of tier 5 tanks to earn credits to pay for the higher tier ones.

One thing I suggest doing is buying one small stash of gold so you can unmount equipment, which costs 10 gold (mere pennies).   If you're careful one $7.00 purchase can last your whole WoT career.  

As to the KV-1 vs Churchill I, neither is a dud so it's totally up to personal preference and if you care about where they lead to in the tech tree.  


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View PostBlackhawk874, on Mar 05 2013 - 18:48, said:

Leave sniping to tanks that are supposed to.

Which? Those with worse accuracy? Granted, I'd have a different opinion if the Churchill was fast enough to actually get to the front,  or if Mediums ever supported Heavies in pub matches, but unless the Churchill gets a serious (and non-historic) speed buff or pub players change their "tactics" (I use the term loosely), sniping with a Churchill I is a valid tactic. To think otherwise is to think too rigidly to be able to handle any tactical situation that isn't in your book. Use all of your tank's strengths, and don't get stuck thinking all Heavies are brawlers and all Lights are scouts. You wouldn't brawl with an AMX 50, would you?

truthleaker #18 Posted Mar 05 2013 - 21:06

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im looking ar kv1s front armor n it says 75 n churchhills is 89 does this mean churchhill has better armor?

Franz_Schubert #19 Posted Mar 05 2013 - 21:31

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edit: was thinking of churchill iii

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View PostFranz_Schubert, on Mar 05 2013 - 21:31, said:

In a 1 on 1 fight the KV1 is superior to the churchill,

however, Churchill has favored match making ( you are always top tier) so you will always have an advantage on over 80% of the field. Unlike a KV1 which can end up in tier 6 or tier 7 battles and their battle potential in those tiers goes down noticably.

Given the favored MM, the gun on the Churchill is actually quite good and will destroy any tier 4 and below tank without problems.

You'll never lose money and if you learn the weakspots of the heavy armored tanks and carry some gold rounds then by all accounts you should be in a very good position to win many battles or at the very least provide significant contribution.


having said that keep in mind that by default premium tanks are never better than their same tier counter parts, (with the exception of the type59, my opinion).
in wiki on both kv n church it says tiers 5-7 so  i think they both have same chance of geting in tier 7 or 6 or 5..? what is the source that church has better mm