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3 CM M.K. 103 (USERS ONLY!)

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Poll: 3 CM M.K. 103 (USERS ONLY!) (150 members have cast votes)

What buff?

  1. Accuracy buff (14 votes [9.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.33%

  2. Aiming time buff (5 votes [3.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.33%

  3. Reload time buff(ROF) (92 votes [61.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 61.33%

  4. Doesn't need a buff(DO NOT PICK IF YOU HAVE NOT TRIED IT!) (18 votes [12.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.00%

  5. Both Accuracy and Aiming time buff (18 votes [12.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.00%

  6. Other(Please Comment) (3 votes [2.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.00%

Do you use this gun?

  1. Yes-Pz 2 G (56 votes [37.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 37.33%

  2. Yes-Luchs (39 votes [26.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 26.00%

  3. Yes-Leopard (46 votes [30.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 30.67%

  4. No (9 votes [6.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.00%

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Titaniumtank #1 Posted Mar 09 2013 - 21:05

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I love this gun on my pz II G, Only thing is it's ROF, Accuracy and Aiming Time. I can live with the ROF but either the accuracy or aiming time need to be buffed, and then it would be perfect for even the Luchs(Leopard needs a better gun still though but thats for a different post). Please don't even bother posting a comment or using the poll if you havent ever tried the gun. I actually got 5 kills and 804 xp raw with the tier 2 gun, so if that one is so good, a tier 5 gun should be even better.

PTwr #2 Posted Mar 09 2013 - 21:08

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It is adequate on Luchs, much better on its tier than 5cm. It sucks to use machine gun bu this one have only 2 shot burst so it ain't wasting half of ammo like other mg's.

On Leopard it is to weak and unreliable so I keep using 5cm, but with more APCR than before 8.4.

I have not used new low tiers yet.

SULOMON #3 Posted Mar 09 2013 - 21:14

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It's really awesome. I don't think it needs a buff.

adience #4 Posted Mar 09 2013 - 21:21

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not the most reliable gun, since you CAN do 300 but will more likely only do 150 damage. And since it as around a 15 second reload it's too vulnerable for the tank to fight with.

As a scout it's alright, but if you wanna fight equal tier tanks you're gonna be in a bit of trouble.

AntonioHandsome #5 Posted Mar 09 2013 - 21:55

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With 2 shots 'per shot' and at least one of them guaranteed to miss, average damage per clip is around 140 and only if you are at close quarters. Too inaccurate, imo.

Amaximumace #6 Posted Mar 10 2013 - 12:30

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What we have here is a gun with a 15 second reload rate...am I the only one who thinks this is crazy!? We have other guns who fire salvos of 3 and can reload their guns in 5 seconds. For a tier III vehicle, it's lunacy, considering you will effectively only hit once per salvo unless you are in nut-to-butt range. Usually, you will do less than 100 damage per 15 seconds...AND the gun is considered tier V!? GTFO!!! What next, moving the jagdpanzer IV to tier 7?

easy8tanker #7 Posted Mar 10 2013 - 17:57

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Look at my most recent topic on my profile.

Anyways, the 30mm is a great gun. I agree that the accuracy and aim time are horrible and would love to see a buff to that.

Also the reload time. I have a 96% crew on my Pz II G and it takes a grand total of 16 sconds to realod the damn thing. Compared it to the Pz II's gun of a reload time of 4 seconds the Pz II G's gun takes 4 times the time to realod.

Above all, the gun needs a realod buff.

Psykmoe #8 Posted Mar 11 2013 - 04:34

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I use it on the Leopard. It's great fun, and it fires 3 shells per burst instead of two like on the other two, but the reload rate is still a tad long. The in-game tooltips could also stand to point out that the gun has different burst on different tanks, since on the Leo it's 4 bursts of 3 shells instead of the double taps.


The ELC AMX has the same MM, more pen, alpha, accuracy, and even dpm (by a small margin), which is a shocker since the ELC has awful reload for its gun too.

Edited by Psykmoe, Mar 11 2013 - 04:36.


Erypez #9 Posted Mar 11 2013 - 05:20

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Bad joke! Already few OP.
You should fight in a suitable distance for a machine gun. It's not good for snipe.

jagdpanther11 #10 Posted Mar 11 2013 - 05:38

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I dont know what the hell the developers are thinking with the 30mm cannon.  Reload at best of 17 seconds if you dont have a crew at 100%. Thats longer than KV1-S 122mm gun reload time.  What the hell developers are you totally gone bonkers? Even if it is considered a Machine Gun, reload of time of this magnitude is down right insane compared to other guns and yet you want to make this a tier 5 weapon?  Even the German Aircraft 30mm cannon shot faster than this thing you put in game.  Needs total rework because on the PzIIg only other gun is the 20mm which is below its tier.  So either fix this horrendous mistake or give the PzIIg another gun to work with for love of god.  Man I am so mad at how unpolished this tank is, it makes me want to just give up the tank completely.

elQuanto #11 Posted Mar 11 2013 - 07:07

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When you platoon with three Luchs, its a fantastic damage dealer.

Dogzman #12 Posted Mar 12 2013 - 02:47

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I have tried the 30mm on the luchs and on the Pz 2 g. After about 25 battles with the mk103 on my luchs i switched it out for the 5cm L/60, and bought a ton of premium ammo for it from the sale over the weekend. After another 15 or so battles i could tell i wasnt going to switch back. I have been running 20 AP(to save creds in low tier matches)/ 30 APCR(to kill big tanks) and it has been working incredibly well.

For me you sacrafice too much to gain too little when you use the mk103. The only benifits i see for the 103, are its burst capability, and the high penetration of the standard AP ammo. Too inaccurate to snipe with, plus is you do that you are lucky if one of the two shells will hit (the second shell firing meters above a guy 200m away is not uncommon). If you fire premium ammo from your mk103, you will pay through the teeth for a little more pen. The biggest advantage to it, the burst is rarely enough to kill an enemy you encounter. Because of that you have to do fast drive bys to get in and out, missing even more of your burst.

I find the 5cm/L60 to outperform(so long as you bring some APCR) the mk103 in nearly every aspect. You can put more DPM down field, regardless of your distance. You can mix it up better, and you arnt left to twiddle your thumbs for 15 seconds between clips. You can juggle more enemies with tthe L60 as well as track enemeis and get away, an option you cant use with the mk103 if you fired your burst and the enemy is still alive.

The mk103 may shine with a platoon of luchs, but solopub i will use my L60 every day of the week.

ApathyCurve #13 Posted Mar 12 2013 - 21:17

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Your poll is broken:  I use the 30mm on all three of those tanks.  And no, it does not need a buff.

For those complaing about the long reload time, it is there to make you think about how you play it.  Remember that these are still scout tanks.  If you're trying to play them as primary DPS damage-dealers, you're doing it wrong and you're not doing your team any favors.  If you engage an enemy with any of these tanks, it should be a quick hit and run and you shouldn't stop moving.   There are always exceptional situations, but as a rule you're a drive-by shooter and the 30mm is perfect for that.

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View PostApathyCurve, on Mar 12 2013 - 21:17, said:

Remember that these are still scout tanks.
Hardly. With Chaffe, T-50's and frenchies around you will look like sweaty retarded fat kid trying to catch a red dot. Best choice is devascouting in that situation, and that requires decent firepower.

CinnamonHawk #15 Posted Mar 15 2013 - 16:24

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View PostApathyCurve, on Mar 12 2013 - 21:17, said:

Remember that these are still scout tanks.
Dumbest post here yet. Being a light doesn't make it a scout. It's because of it's weight. In reality the batchat should be a scout if all tier 3 lights are.

DrenMadre #16 Posted Mar 15 2013 - 17:12

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View PostAmaximumace, on Mar 10 2013 - 12:30, said:

What next, moving the jagdpanzer IV to tier 7?

DON'T give them any ideas........

Corwuin #17 Posted Mar 15 2013 - 18:16

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Voted for reload.  It is a long time waiting for that reload...  I'm ready to pen s'mo!!!!!  :Smile-playing:

jagdpanther11 #18 Posted Mar 19 2013 - 04:36

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I still have to laugh at Blackhawk, his posts do nothing to substantiate the thread.  The gun is not a bad gun it just stinks with 17 second reload (75%crew) for a tier 3 tank that gets thrown into battles that they have to be the scout because there is no way in hell that the PzIIg will survive a hit from tier 4 or 5 long enough to reload. And that is if your lucky enough to find some kind of cover before you die instantly!

Daigensui #19 Posted Mar 19 2013 - 04:41

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I wouldn't mind the reload if the gun was accurate, but with the accuracy as it is, I would like a reload buff.

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View Postjagdpanther11, on Mar 19 2013 - 04:36, said:

I still have to laugh at Blackhawk, his posts do nothing to substantiate the thread.  The gun is not a bad gun it just stinks with 17 second reload (75%crew) for a tier 3 tank that gets thrown into battles that they have to be the scout because there is no way in @#!*% that the PzIIg will survive a hit from tier 4 or 5 long enough to reload. And that is if your lucky enough to find some kind of cover before you die instantly!
Your stupid is showing.