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Vks, (H) And (P), L/56 And Pzkpfw? German Tank Names Explained


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Leonus #101 Posted Aug 17 2012 - 08:53

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View PostTroo86, on Dec 17 2010 - 13:09, said:

Well, King Tiger was known as King Tiger to allies but that came from Königstiger which means Bengal Tiger. And if I recall it right it was also known as "Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger Ausf. B" and Tiger II.
But thank god they didn't put Sonderkraftfahrzeug or simly Sd.Kfz. (Special purpose/ordnance vehicle) numbers. Since all german armored vehicle had one.

They also were known as the Tiger Royale by most allies.

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View PostLeonus, on Aug 17 2012 - 08:53, said:

They also were known as the Tiger Royale by most allies.

Or the Royal Tiger.

Even though the proper translation of the name is Bengal Tiger.

A very interesting read, even though I must confess I already knew much of the info, but I keep this in mind for my constructed world. :Smile_honoring:

Friendorpho #103 Posted Oct 10 2012 - 16:20

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You might want to include a mention of the Panzerfunkwagen, because who doesn't love funky Panzers.

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View PostWhoopAss_McGue, on Dec 16 2010 - 23:01, said:



Getting confused by all this VK3001 (H)

View PostMisanthrope1, on Dec 17 2010 - 02:34, said:

Yes, the DB stands for Daimler-Benz. In fact, the 3002(DB) was one of the prototypes, that were developed in order to create a PzKpfw IV succesor. VK 3002(DB) was based on soviet T-34, but after field tests, the MAN construction was approved. After joining force, the VK 3002(MAN) became PzKpfw V Panther.

The (H) in VK3001(H) stands for the Henschel design and the (P) in Tiger (P)  is the Porsche design

not in game you will also see design vehicles with HK desgination which I read means "Half Ketten" or similar meaning HalfTracked as opposed to VK designations for Full Tracked vehicles.

zchen27 #105 Posted Oct 13 2012 - 22:26

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Just wondering, can't VK stand for Versuchskraftzeug as well?

Lert #106 Posted Oct 13 2012 - 22:56

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View PostWhoopAss_McGue, on Dec 16 2010 - 23:01, said:

Things I shall add in at some point:
- SdKfz
SonderKraftfahrzeug, Special Purpose Vehicle.

Every vehicle the german army operated had an SdKfz name. For example, the PzKpfw IV was the SdKfz 161, the Kleines KettenKraftrad light tractor was the SdKfz 2 and the Hanomag 7t halftrack was the SdKFz 251. The PzKpfw definitions were additional to the SdKfz names.

View PostWhoopAss_McGue, on Dec 16 2010 - 23:01, said:

- The shell names (E.g. PzGr.)
PzGr stands for PanzerGranate. Literally, armored grenade. However, this is a silly name, one should translate it as 'tank shell'.
SprGr stands for SprengGranate. Literally jumping grenade. However, this is a silly name, one should translate it as 'explosive shell'.

View PostWhoopAss_McGue, on Dec 16 2010 - 23:01, said:

- Names of equipment (E.g. 'Ketten' meaning 'tracks'.)
Ketten = chains, meaning tracks.
Transportketten = transport tracks, usually narrower ones for ease of transport.
Breitketten = broad tracks, broader tracks for improved ground pressure.
Ostketten = east tracks, meaning extra wide tracks for the eastern front, meaning in russia.

Turm = tower, meaning turret.
Standartturm = standard turret
Großturm = big turret. The ß is pronounced like 'ss', Groß sounds roughly like the english word 'gross'.

FuG (FunkGerät) = radio-device, meaning radio.

German engine names are also easily explained.For example, the Maybach Maybach HL 210 TRM P45 engine in Tiger,
Maybach = the manufacturer
HL = HochLeistung, meaing high power
210 = the engine size, in deciliters. There are 10 deciliters to a liter, so the HL210 has 21 liter displacement.
TRM = 'Trockensumpfschmierung mit Schnappermagne', meaning Dry sump lubrication with magneto.
P = panzermotor, meaning tank engine.
The 45 in P45 is afaik just the engine version.

View PostWhoopAss_McGue, on Dec 16 2010 - 23:01, said:

The 2nd-generation tanks with which Germany fought WW2 were called Panzerkampfwagen (Literally translates to ‘Armoured battle vehicle’.
'Kampf' can mean any form of fighting like fighting, battle, struggle, etc. Re: 'mein kampf', meaning 'my struggle'.
'Wagen' can mean any sort of vehicle, like a car, a truck, a buggy, etc.

This leads to my favorite translation of PanzerKampfWagen, being 'Armored Struggle Buggy'. It's technically not incorrect.

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Friendorpho, on Oct 10 2012 - 16:20, said:

You might want to include a mention of the Panzerfunkwagen, because who doesn't love funky Panzers.

Funk means radio.

So it might refer to a command tank of some sort.

Fett713 #108 Posted Nov 04 2012 - 09:06

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KonigsTiger means KingsTiger or KingTiger. The Hetzer was a small jagdpanzer based on Czech tanks (panzer 35 (t) and 38 (t) series), later i think they made their own, which were the E10's/E25's, lets not forget the p-245-010 jaguarundi (which had only a turret with a small gun in it) it didn't have a fixed cannon like the hetzer.

As far as the Brummbar is concerned, there are several possible definitions of it, the Stupa was the german nickname on record, but it was also sometimes referred to as the Brummbar. Loosely translated depending on context it could have meant anything from growler/grumbler, to grizzley bear as the americans called it, to grouch as in grouchy or grumpy old man, I've even seen mentions of Brummbar as a teddy bear in a childrens book. So yeah, basically the jury is out on that one, as far as my German teacher said it was bear.

After the Brummbar they came up with the SturmTiger, which had a large casemate superstructure on the Tiger chassis, and a very large but short main gun.

Edited by Fett713, Nov 04 2012 - 10:48.


Fett713 #109 Posted Nov 04 2012 - 09:13

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I really don't understand where this whole myth about Konig meaning Bengal comes from by the way, just saying lol.

balmung60 #110 Posted Nov 05 2012 - 11:22

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View PostFett713, on Nov 04 2012 - 09:06, said:

KonigsTiger means KingsTiger or KingTiger.
This is actually incorrect. "Koenig" DOES mean "King" and "Tiger" does mean "Tiger", but in this specific context, "Koenigstiger" is the Bengal Tiger. I guess that the Germans considered it the king of tigers or something, but even if you go to the Wikipedia article for the bengal tiger and select the German (Deutsch) version of the page, it's titled "Koenigstiger" (except with the umlaut instead of the e).

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View Postfeszy, on Jul 07 2012 - 20:17, said:

2 things....

1. What does the stuK series guns mean? i.e 7,5 cm StuK 42 L/70 on the stug III
2. Wasn't the german literal translation for konigstiger bengal tiger?


The stuG is the Strumgeschutz. So I'm guessing the StuK is a Sturmkannonen. and yes königstiger is translated to bengal tiger, but it's mistaken so often because if you break apart the word it is king (König) tiger (tiger). But what their name for bengal tiger in German is infact Königtiger.

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View Postbalmung60, on Nov 05 2012 - 11:22, said:

(except with the umlaut instead of the e).

I knew I wasn't the only German speaker on here;)

Magick #113 Posted Dec 01 2012 - 04:52

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It's also worth noting that while the KT's name is often translated as "King Tiger" a more accurate translation is Bengal Tiger.  Another user here by the name of NumarNA (a native German speaker) cleared it up in an earlier post.  To quote him:

As a german, I can confirm that König means King. Regarding the animal Königstiger, we call it Bengal-Tiger or Indischer (Indian) Tiger as well, but commonly Königstiger. The german Wikipedia says that Königstiger meant "an exceptionally big and beautiful Bengal-Tiger" and originated from the english word "royal tiger". Later, all Bengal-Tigers were called Königstiger.

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EndlesNights #115 Posted Dec 14 2012 - 23:49

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Nice topic, though while i know most of the information i must say it's incredibly helpful to people who don't. +1

Oh and if people had been wounder what the VK numbers stand for, it had been the estimated weight of the Panzers before being built. The VK 30.01 (H) had been estimated to weigh in around 30 tons
PzKpfw 38 (nA) nA standing for "neuer Art" while litterer meaning 'newer art' it would better translate to 'state of the art

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View PostCrackpunch, on Oct 20 2012 - 12:59, said:

Funk means radio.

So it might refer to a command tank of some sort.

Yes I know funk means radio, it was supposed to be a joke German military buffs might appreciate. Panzerfunkwagons were specifically radio vehicles, some weren't even built on the chassis of tanks, but rather other forms of wheeled vehicles or half-tracks (Sd Kfz 263 for example).

ultraArmor16 #117 Posted Jan 29 2013 - 02:20

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That explains alot!!  :Smile_Default:

KhanRa #118 Posted Feb 04 2013 - 03:24

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Never understood how the Panther D came BEFORE the panther A.




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