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Poll: Ranking the t10 Tanks (297 members have cast votes)

Which T10 is the worst?

  1. Maus (123 votes [41.41%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 41.41%

  2. J100 (115 votes [38.72%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 38.72%

  3. Other (59 votes [19.87%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 19.87%

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Garbad #1 Posted Mar 22 2013 - 16:22

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People ask me this all the time, so here goes. This is written from the perspective of general play, including cw/cb, and divided by role.

MAIN BATTLE TANKS:

T110E5 - 10/10
E-100 - 7/10
T110E4 - 7/10
IS-4 - 5/10
113 - 5/10
FV215b - 5/10
IS-7 - 5/10
Maus - 1/10

The main things you need for a primary attack tank are very strong firepower, the ability to bounce at least some shots frontally, good size/shape for massing/firing/peekabooming, and agile enough to move around a bit. You can give up side/back armor, max speed, alpha, aim time, and so on.

The best main battle tank is clearly the e5. Its the perfect tank in WOT right now. Its cannon provides good pen, good heat round, acceptable alpha/dpm, good aim time/depression, etc. It won't wow you, but it gets the job done well in all aspects. The E5's frontal armor is likewise very bouncy, even against gold rounds, in the right spot and its frontal weak points are both small and somewhat easy to protect. Its overall protection gives you what you need and not much else. Its speed is likewise ok. Its max speed is low, but it accelerates well and is small, giving you decent ability to mass, peekaboom, and so on. Its not as arty resistant as you could hope, but it could be worse. Its as close to perfection as we have in WOT, and no tank comes close to matching its balance of everything important.

The next most viable tank is the E-100. The E-100 has serious flaws -- its size makes it an easy target, difficult to mass, and easy to hit weak points. Its completely useless on some maps. However, when properly angled/hull downed on the right map, it has some fairly significant strengths -- high HP, decent armor (if you cover its weak points), high alpha, good DPM make it a decent situational brawler. Its still miles behind the E5, but in its niche this is worth something. The E4 is similar -- it trades a full turning turret, weaker turret armor, and lower HP for higher DPM, smaller size, and better AP pen. It plays like the E-100 with fewer glaring holes, but less effective in its niche.

The remaining tanks are all mostly average. This is not to say they are useless, they simply can't match the E5 or E-100 in its niche. The IS-7 has speed and ok toughness, but lacks an effective gun. The IS-4 has pretty decent overall firepower, but is too soft. The 113 has the gun of the IS-4 and the speed of the IS-7, which seems promising until you realize it has the armor of a type 59. The FV has good toughness and firepower, but its hull design make it very effective in a few situations small blob fighting, but much not that great overall. Its a niche tank.

The Maus is currently the worst t10. Its main flaws are its size, poor firepower, and inadequate protection. Because its so large, its impossible to mass or hide. This makes it easy to hit, especially by arty, and tactically very inflexible. Its armor likewise doesn't help against gold rounds, and its flat surfaces are generally easy for a good player to pen. Its slow, poor top speed as well. Finally, its firepower is inadequate -- it manages to be below average in every aspect, and accordingly, is garbage.

FLANKER/FLEX TANKS:

T-62A - 10/10
Bat Chat - 10/10
M48 - 7/10
121 - 6/10

All t10 mediums have good firepower. What it needs to be useful is the ability to move around the battlefield -- to flex, to skirmish, to scout when required, and to be able to give that mobility element that makes the medium worth giving up the armor/power of another heavy. Sniping is simply not useful -- support tanks or arty can do this role better than any medium. You need great firepower, good agility, and good fire control.

The T-62A is, again, the perfect medium. It has exceptional firepower in every aspect (pen, effective aim time, DPM, heat) combined with small size, good camo, great agility, and acceptable speed. It even adds an effective turret for the rare situations where you can leverage it. Because of these strengths, its an ideal flank attacker/flexing tank that's also suitable as a counterscout/scout when required. Its top speed could be better and it can have module issues, but its more than good enough to do the job.

The bat is likewise a beast. Its small, fast, good camo, and its burst firepower help make up for its poor fire control and DPM, making it almost as effective of a flanker as the T-62A. Although its primary role is scout, even when viewed as a medium its the second best medium. The main reasons why the T-62A edges it out are smaller size, higher DPM/fire control/ammo, and less prone to catastrophic hits from arty.

The M48 has effective firepower and fire control, particularly in the nice soft stats. But its speed isn't good and its DPM got nerfed, leaving it only slightly better than the E5 which can do almost all the same things plus add in the ability to bounce shots. So in the end its not so much that the tank is bad as it is that others do the same jobs better.

The 113 has a lot of the strengths of the T-62A but with worse agility, DPM, fire control, and soft stats in exchange for higher alpha. Its overall significantly worse, particularly in the flexibility area, yet its higher alpha (and thus, damage compression) can make it a more punishing flanker in some situations.

SUPPORT TANKS:

T57 - 10/10
268 - 9/10
Foch - 9/10
50B - 8/10
T110E3 - 7/10
FV215b 183 - 5/10
E-50M - 4/10
FV4202 - 4/10
263 - 3/10
J100 - 1/10

By a support tank I mean any tank whose primary job is to sit on the second line and project damage. Unlike the MBTs, its not contemplated that these tanks lead a charge or trade shots, although they may have to in a pinch.

The best support tank right now is the T57. Although the T57 has some significant weaknesses (poor speed, particularly in reverse, suboptimal acceleration, not horribly effective head to head) its high DPM, turret/high HP, and burst DPM are considerable strengths. The key to the T57 is its burst spike -- high dpm, high compression, effective soft stats make it able to unleash a volley few tanks can withstand. This shatters teams. Its flaws are that outside of its niche, its rather limited. Its strength is that within that niche, its beast, and its niche is key to crushing teams. The %0B is similar, but trades DPM and soft stats for speed. It remains effective, but its changes make it more like a less flexible flanker than a support tank (the T57s superior DPM, compression, and fire control leave it in the fight a lot longer).

The 268/Foch are similar in role. The 268 features great DPM and general firepower combined with decent agility and great camo abuse. Its an outstanding sit and snipe support fire on many maps. The foch trades worse camo and DPM for a clip, making for more devastating ambushes. But as powerful as the foch is, the T57 can do similar with a much smaller burst time and a turret. The 268 likewise as strong as it is in its niche, struggles in many important situations (no turret = no going around corners, vulnerable 1v1) so its not effective in many situations. The E3 is another specialist. Although it has the same flaws as any turretless vehicle, its extreme armor and hard hitting gun can be crushing in certain situations.

The 183 has extreme alpha, good toughness, and a partial turret. But its also gimmicky, rear mounted, and like all arty, based on luck to a large degree. It gets lots of lulzy one shots, but has pretty significant flaws in organized play or when unsupported. Accordingly, its a niche tank where others can fill its role better.

The E-50M has speed, but agility is iffy, camo is crap, and soft stats are bad. This makes it a bit too big/clunky to flank as well as the others, plus it has lower DPM. Its designed as a sniper, but sniping has no value in tier 10, and thus, its left as a specialist without a niche. The FV4202 is similar -- it has great firepower on a hull that can't bounce shots like a heavy or move fast enough to flank like a medium. Its another specialist in a worthless niche.

The 263 is arty bait, plus it combines low alpha and a lack of a turret. This leaves it as a tank with great paper stats that actually can't do a lot others can't do as well or better. The J100 is a fat, worthless abomination. I would try to list a strength, but I can't think of one. Its weakness is that it exists.

JennaBugLovesYou #2 Posted Mar 22 2013 - 16:25

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Well said.
The Maus/IS-4 are the bleh tanks for me.
Never too worried about them,
They just don't excel in combat.

ysoignorant #3 Posted Mar 22 2013 - 16:28

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FV4202 is pretty bad, but compared to a Maus...

GT500 #4 Posted Mar 22 2013 - 16:29

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I personally do not like the Maus at all.

As a lesson, I have not yet sold it so that I have to look at it every day as a reminder of what a stupid mistake I made getting it :)

Fattty #5 Posted Mar 22 2013 - 16:32

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I have both the Maus and the JPe100. The Maus is at least hilarious to use against bad pubbies. The JPe100 is just terribad at everything.

dogneely #6 Posted Mar 22 2013 - 16:32

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the maus doesnt have enough armor to justify its weaknesses

verniusix #7 Posted Mar 22 2013 - 16:33

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Thanks Garbad! As a newer pilot that is building up his collection of tanks this really helps me in knowing what to aim for!

TalonV #8 Posted Mar 22 2013 - 16:33

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I'm surprised you consider the 110E4 and E-100 as an MBT instead of a support. the 110e4 armor took a hit during it's nerf and it's reload is too long IMO to put it on the front lines like a 110E5.  Same with the reload on the E100 15cm gun. Just too long to be used up on the front.

Now sitting them say behind the 110E5s to do their alpha strike i could see that, but as actual no kidding main line combatants...no, don't see it.

other than that, i agree with the synopsis.

Edited by TalonV, Mar 22 2013 - 16:35.


Balsafer #9 Posted Mar 22 2013 - 16:35

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Maus needs a gun that has better pen considering even with gold rounds you will still bounce the majority of your shots.

N00BSAIB0T #10 Posted Mar 22 2013 - 16:36

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So glad I didn't grind or spend money to get the Maus or JP100. Pieces of crap only loved by arties.

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View PostGarbad, on Mar 22 2013 - 16:22, said:

The E-50M has speed, but agility is iffy, camo is crap, and soft stats are bad. This makes it a bit too big/clunky to flank as well as the others, plus it has lower DPM. Its designed as a sniper, but sniping has no value in tier 10, and thus, its left as a specialist without a niche.

I have to disagree with this assessment. Agility is sufficient, and soft stats are also okay. Sniping does have value in tier 10, where you can soften up the enemy by firing suppressing shots while your main battle tanks advance towards locations. Also, when you have the flankers charging, the E-50 Ausf. M is a perfect vanguard, the Stoßtrupp covering the flanks by being the spearhead which the enemy will have to fire on if they do not want to be rammed or outmaneuvered. I don't know about clan wars, but the E-50 Ausf. M is certainly a good generalist which can be the sledgehammer that breaks the enemy's back when they do not have ironclad plans or strategies.

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I am not using MBT in the sense that's its actually used by the military, I'm using MBT to mean simply a tank whose main role is to fight the core of the enemy team head on using peekaboom, armor, brawling, mid range fire, a zerg push, and so on as opposed to flanks/scouts or sit back and support.

Riceygringo #13 Posted Mar 22 2013 - 16:38

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After your "selling tier 10s thread" I'm surprised that some of the tanks on the post even got positive scores.

DJYC21215 #14 Posted Mar 22 2013 - 16:39

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The IS-4 is only good if you know how to sidescrape. Since most people do not know how to sidescrape you see plenty of bad IS-4 drivers.
That being said Sidescraping or not the T110E5 is still much much better for almost all situations.

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View PostRiceygringo, on Mar 22 2013 - 16:38, said:

After your "selling tier 10s thread" I'm surprised that some of the tanks on the post even got positive scores.
I'm more or less grading on a curve. 5 = average, 7 = good, 10 = perfect.

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View PostGarbad, on Mar 22 2013 - 16:41, said:

I'm more or less grading on a curve. 5 = average, 7 = good, 10 = perfect.
lol does that mean you curved them all by 5 points hehe?

Worstplayer_NA #17 Posted Mar 22 2013 - 16:46

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Batchat best light ever created. I seriously can't find much flaws with it.

MrItchyBottom #18 Posted Mar 22 2013 - 16:46

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E5 somewhat an allround tank,

2 bad lil brother wrecked my E5 stat  :teethhappy:

VonBrown #19 Posted Mar 22 2013 - 16:51

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Love my E50-M, cause I'm a sucker for a sexy body.......would play the bat or T110E5 if I was playing for $$ though. Can't wait to get the T57. No wait, it will suck because tier 10 is ruined. Can't wait to grind out the T57 for nothing.

Honestly, playing tier 10 tanks can suck. They are supposed to be the best and baddest in game and get owned by OP arty in most matches.

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the obj 263 got to be the worst t10 tank in the game currently