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XKGBINBKLYN #1 Posted Apr 11 2013 - 16:04

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I like this tank

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CinnamonHawk #2 Posted Apr 11 2013 - 16:09

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T20 is pretty squishy. It would be a bit more fitting as a 6.

Blackhorse_Six #3 Posted Apr 11 2013 - 16:11

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I do not disagree with your argument, but consider that the T20 would be OP in Tier Six vs the Jumbo and the Easy Eight, which might then require a cascading displacement of all of the Shermans to Tiers Four and Five, or all to Tier Five ...

The Shermans, in all their incarnations, are not equal to the T20.

DoodleMcFarland #4 Posted Apr 11 2013 - 16:15

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Its called the T21...

oweg #5 Posted Apr 11 2013 - 16:17

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the T20 is fine the way it is you just need to use your speed to get out of the enemy's gun and use it also to flank them and you'll do great.

Kilel6 #6 Posted Apr 11 2013 - 16:32

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View PostLinkTreadwell, on Apr 11 2013 - 16:04, said:

I don't think it a bad tank, even if it is depicted in the game with only the old and ugly suspension. However, I don't think it rates as a level seven vehicle.I think the tank would be a desirable commodity if it were made into a level SIX. This would also allow the owners to add something to the American line, level seven. The T20 has an okay gun against level six and seven but by level eight it might as well just park and have a camping BBQ. It has tissue paper for protection. A pz3601, level six, can mush it. Make it a SIX instead of a seven, however, and it looks quite fine. I hope the owners read this and consider this suggestion, respectfully submitted.


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I don't know about you, but I find the T20 to be pretty good in most regards except for its armor. I bruise tier 9's pretty often and kill one every now and then. the 90mm is an excellent sniping cannon as long as you know where to aim, and provided you're a good enough ninja, you can make great use of it in close-quarters as well. Not to mention, the T20 is pretty fast. However, there are few things as satisfying as killing a Centurion with a T20 by jumping on it while on fire.

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I've been running both the T20 and the Comet for a while.  On the battlefield, these Tier 7s are very similar tanks in many ways.  On good flanking opportunities, I can put a good hurting on Tier 9s.  The T20 more so than the Comet.  Only the derp tier 5 tanks are much of a threat.  The T20 would be completely OP if it were bumped down to Tier 6.
I hate to sound cliche, but if you can't make the T20 work for you as a tier 7, you are playing it wrong.

ovan20 #8 Posted Apr 11 2013 - 17:01

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Why people want armor in a medium tank? Thats not theyr role in battle, you want to "tank" shoots for the team? go grab a heavy.

T20 do fine in tier 7, it one of the best mediuns on that tier.

ingerad #9 Posted Apr 11 2013 - 17:05

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T20 is a beautiful tank, and if you are really having trouble getting pens, you're playing it wrong.  Don't try to go head to head with a heavy.  Flank, ambush, do whatever, but shoot the sides and weakspots.  Its a medium and that's how meds roll.  It is fine at its tier, certainly no worse than any other tank at any other tier.  The T20 really taught me to love small "bumps", as the depression and general low profile make it a great hill fighter.

The_Writ #10 Posted Apr 11 2013 - 17:09

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I have the t-43, Panther, and t20.

I kill T20 and Panthers all the time in my t-43 and not vise versa.

T20 feels very borderline t6-7, I am still trying to love it though and not given up at all. Has the great Hellcat gun but reloads too slow for circle killing.

Kilel6 #11 Posted Apr 11 2013 - 17:11

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View PostThe_Writ, on Apr 11 2013 - 17:09, said:

but reloads too slow for circle killing.
That's why you're supposed to stay away from those fights.

Spiley_Craw #12 Posted Apr 11 2013 - 17:12

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T20 is fine, just not amazing.
-Kle.

ramp4ge #13 Posted Apr 11 2013 - 19:24

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T20's the best tier 7 medium...

XKGBINBKLYN #14 Posted Apr 11 2013 - 21:13

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I thank you all, pro and con, for your well thought out comments.

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Legiondude #15 Posted Apr 11 2013 - 22:50

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I thought it was perfectly fine when I owned mine. There were a few matches where I remember driving all over the map supporting my team and hitting enemies hard even on tier 9 matches

Should buy it back in fact

Strikeroflife #16 Posted Apr 11 2013 - 23:20

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it's no worst the the VK3002 DB soon to be called VK30.02 D. to be honest the gun looks alot better on the T20 then the VK 3020 D and it is significantly more maneuverable so if the T20 wer moved down the Vk would need to be moved down as well but its clearly not so T20 good were it is.

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flyinglunchbox #17 Posted Apr 12 2013 - 03:50

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My favorite tank. I've got a 57% win rate in it.

Vents, Rammer, and Vert stab makes this thing and a godly shoot and scoot platform. And with APCR you can easily pen many tier 9's frontally.

ovan20 #18 Posted Apr 12 2013 - 05:48

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The problem is, you want to play with the tank like a heavy, yes you dont have armor (theres no medium with good armor), and yes you will face tanks with more than 200hp than you (you will face that in every tier), and yes theres maps and situations where flanking its not a option, but thats the problens you have to deal as a medium.

That will be same as complaining that tds dont have a turret and cant defend itself against tanks that go in full speed to grab theyr side, if you cant deal with the problens that type of tank face, then that line is not for you...like me, i dont know how to play as scout, so i dont make light tanks, i also dont make the faster mediuns like the batchat or the leopard 1, i prefer the slowest mediuns like the centurion and de pershing, that i can use as mobile snipers.

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People who say that this is a tier 6ish tank need to learn the T20's strengths and weaknesses. If you play to the strengths, you will hold your own against higher tiers. If you don't, you will be laughably bad. What are those strengths?

T20 in a nutshell:
Srengths:high alpha, high speed, low profile, and good gun depression.
Weaknesses: Low dpm, poor armor, and low manueverability


What does this mean?
1. What not to do:(Low dpm, poor manueverability, and relatively large dispersion while moving)
You should never engage while in the open or on the move for any extended period of time. You will probably lose. High alpha offsets the loss of dpm from m1a2, but only over a period of 9 seconds in the open. You also can't circle well and should avoid circling heavies. You can't really take hits or dodge shots.

2. What to do:
Instead, the high alpha, good speed, gun depression, and low profile make this good for flanking while exploiting cover. High alpha makes this a good pop out, shoot, and retreat fighter (You can take a T-43 this way). Low profile allows you to abuse very slight rises in terrain for protection. Good gun depression makes the T20 an excellent hill fighter. The turret is poorly armored so it's about relocating and making sure to get as many cheap shots as possible.

Oh, also the penetration is pretty decent if you pick your targets well.

Edited by Door_Mouse, Jun 10 2013 - 02:42.


Eagle_Peak #20 Posted Sep 05 2013 - 02:50

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View PostDoodleMcFarland, on Apr 11 2013 - 16:15, said:

Its called the T21...
T21 is the light tank tier 6 on the american tree