Wyvern2, on Sep 09 2013 - 06:01, said:
According to Zaloga a Soviet tank crew at Kursk(might have changed later, not 100% sure), was expected to keep fighting unless A) the gun was knocked out or B)The tank was on fire, otherwise they faced court martial/execution/being sent to a penal battalion. I made a sweeping generalization saying they had to stay no matter what, but its pretty darn close, obviously the other issue leading to crew deaths was bad ammunition stowage, which is a problem in Russian tanks to this day(Not as bad as claimed, but still far worse then tanks like the Abrams).
The only person that would be in danger of being sent to a penal battalion would be the person that ordered the retreat. Order #227 didn't invalidate the chain of command.
Also I cannot recall any order about the gun being damaged. If the gun is damaged, you can just drive away, no need to abandon the tank. Also you have two perfectly good machine guns remaining.
If conditions inside the tank are such that ammunition is cooking off, odds are it has sustained enough damage to kill some or all crew members anyway.
Jager1990, on Sep 09 2013 - 22:20, said:
his arguement was the tanks broke down, not blown up.
Every German panzer unit had its own engineer and logistics units. Considering there were more lighter tanks then heavier ones it would mean there are more mechanics, men, and even fuel needed to run more vehicles. Yes thats right 2 mark 4's use more fuel than 1 panther tank. 2 mark 4's require more mechanics, and supplies than 1 panther.
Two PzIVs that run fine for 2000 km require more mechanics than a Panther that breaks down every 150? You're amusing.
Jager1990, on Sep 09 2013 - 22:26, said:
You said the panthers broke down. A tank crew that abandones a broken tank is not spalled at all. And even in this case. What tank is easier to create spalling in? A mark 4. So yes spalling inside a panther is just as bad as one inside a mark 4. But the panther has a better chance of preventing that.
False. The Germans could make thin armour ductile, it's the thicker armour they had problems with. The Panther does not have a better chance of preventing that. Stop making stuff up.