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thenighthunter #1 Posted May 21 2013 - 02:01

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I was searching around the internet and i found this post about the a tank and noticed it was pointed to wargaming yet I could not find it in these forums so I decided I’ll post it with no change to it cause it was written quite well. I know it's listed as a heavy but I figured you'll rather it as a TD considering the fact it has a 155.


Tier 10: 155mm Heavy Tank T58 prototype.
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This tank was built in 1955 on a T43 (M103 prototype) chassis and mounted a 155mm gun in an oscillating turret with a 6 round revolving magazine.
I believe these would fit the "fast heavy" scheme that the Russian and German trees are both getting. They're unique with their oscillating turrets (French will have these too on the AMXs) and they'd add a lot of variety to the US tree. Much of the components (The hulls) are already in the game, so they'd actually take a minimal amount of work!
How about it, Wargaming?

here is a link to the site i found it it seems to be a russian clan: http://athwot.ru/forum/5-97-1

Edited by thenighthunter, May 21 2013 - 05:36.


9braker #2 Posted May 21 2013 - 02:05

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t57 needs to be replaced with this tank its not op enoug.

Grumpy_Turtle #3 Posted May 21 2013 - 02:06

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Nice timing! I just read about this tank for the first time today as well. With its relations to the T57, I'm sure it is already known about by WG (or at the very least, the Chieftain). It would be a nice option if/when WG goes to 3 tier 10 heavies. The only issue I could see with it is that it is very similar to the T57, so it wouldn't offer much variety. The T57 seems to be popular though, so I'm sure that it would be welcomed by the player base.

ChairInAGasket #4 Posted May 21 2013 - 02:07

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Where would you place this tank? T57 already fits the role, you would need a whole new tech tree, and it would probably have tissue-paper armor, no mobility, and worthless camo to keep it from becoming the definition of OPdom, probably not worth the hassle for WarGaming. Anyways, people will immediately start screaming "It's so OP", and due to there being no good way to nerf it and have it still retain usefulness, it would have to be removed. Actually, you could just make it a 2-min clip reload, or make it the first Tier 10 heavy premium tank, but make it insanely expenisive, with having to have the prerequisite of already owning a regular Tier 10, to stop the wallet warriors from making it the most popular tank of all time. Best idea is to just forget about it. Sorry for the wall of text.

Edited by PeanutFly, May 21 2013 - 02:12.


Priory_of_Sion #5 Posted May 21 2013 - 02:11

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To my knowledge the T58 is already modeled but WG has decided against using it because of the 155 + Turret + Autoloader.

Blackhorse_Six_ #6 Posted May 21 2013 - 02:13

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View PostPriory_of_Sion, on May 21 2013 - 02:11, said:

To my knowledge the T58 is already modeled but WG has decided against using it because of the 155 + Turret + Autoloader.

With a 6-round drum ...

We Like it !!!

MisterPatriot #7 Posted May 21 2013 - 02:15

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Give it 2 round drum, 20 second reload, replace T110E4 with it.

M477145_N1l550n #8 Posted May 21 2013 - 02:17

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Remove current T110E4, replace with T58. Keep standard T57 in place.

Who would be against that?

Mode_LethalEliminator #9 Posted May 21 2013 - 02:23

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View PostMotorizedPatriot, on May 21 2013 - 02:15, said:

Give it 2 round drum, 20 second reload, replace T110E4 with it.
but...but...but historical accuracy!

Avalon304 #10 Posted May 21 2013 - 02:24

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It is already modeled: http://forum.worldof...c/236894-t5758/

MisterPatriot #11 Posted May 21 2013 - 02:27

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View PostEliminatorP235, on May 21 2013 - 02:23, said:

but...but...but historical accuracy!
Yeah but a 6 round 155mm is ludicrous, without heavy nerfing.

I'd rather stick with traditional in-game US autoloader theory, and have less rounds than French, but faster reload.

Black_Stealth_Badger41 #12 Posted May 21 2013 - 02:28

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how many times have we ever heard historical accuracy.. but it's a game argument .. Please WOT No more overpowered American auto-loaders please.

Priory_of_Sion #13 Posted May 21 2013 - 02:29

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View PostEliminatorP235, on May 21 2013 - 02:23, said:

but...but...but historical accuracy!
The T58 in any form would be more accurate than the T110E4.

I'm more for the 155 mm armed H2 Heavy Tank(redesignated to a TD like the T30) replacing the T110E4.

Dominatus #14 Posted May 21 2013 - 02:32

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Playing around with autoloader ammo count is not above WG, since the rounds loaded in a single canister of the French tanks is lower than what they actually had. Still, WG wants to avoid any potential balance debacles.

A_UselessReptile #15 Posted May 21 2013 - 02:37

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While i play my E5 , i tend to view T57s as a threat only in CWs because for the vast majority of pubbies its a misunderstood weapon. While good its not overpowered. T57 has armor comparable to M103, has a good gun but vulnerable ammo and crew; so with that in mind its always going to be a lot more easy to damage than an IS4/7 or T110E5. T58 would apply the same principal in that its got a good gun and an autoloader but very little in terms of camo, armor, or speed for that matter.

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View PostMotorizedPatriot, on May 21 2013 - 02:27, said:

Yeah but a 6 round 155mm is ludicrous, without heavy nerfing.

I'd rather stick with traditional in-game US autoloader theory, and have less rounds than French, but faster reload.


If you gave it its full 6 shells it would be sooooooo OP / powerful.  You would have to balance it with something like this:  each shot 8.75 second apart, then literally a 90-second reload.  If ammo racked, 180-seconds.  


A more "user friendly model" might have 3 rounds - like Foch-155, with fire every 6.5 seconds apart, then a 50 second reload (base number).


You'd have to have it be "worse" than the Foch-155 in terms of fire ability, to compensate for the Turret + Depression aspect / bonus.  If it had exactly the same fire ability as the Foch, it would be too powerful - given the turret benefit (which is huge, in most cases).

Lethal_Machines #17 Posted May 27 2013 - 06:30

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This would make a deadly TD but you'd need a global community poll to see if it would replace the E4 since many people like it. Also, it wouldn't make much sense to change from a tank that shoots once before reloading to an autoloader. WG would likely put in a couple tanks before that.

majorGeneralfoxhound #18 Posted May 28 2013 - 01:12

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Here is how u can make it fit the tree u would also get that piece of crap t21 and not make T58 it over powered
1.) Give the gun a different name that way u can tone the guns hp

2.) Give it the accuresy of .4 or .38 and give it 18 deg turret traverse

3.) Finally give it a 4 shot clip (even though it actually has 6) and give it a 55 sec reload clip time

majorGeneralfoxhound #19 Posted May 28 2013 - 01:18

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another thing it wouldnt be a td it would be a ht with a very destructive gun

Hyori_Reign #20 Posted May 29 2013 - 04:21

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Must say. looks like a rape machine, it looks cool but  I don't think it belongs in this game unless they decide to change the shell limit to 2 or 3, 155mm with 6 shots, might as well put an M1A1 Abrams in the game.

Edited by Hyori_Reign, May 29 2013 - 04:21.





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