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[Blackhorse_Six]

 stickjock, on May 23 2013 - 17:33, said:

How does everyone feel about "seal clubbing" after reading the Preliminary 8.6 Patch notes??

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• All new accounts will now receive Tier I tanks with 100% crew

Sort of helps out new players a little, seeing as one of the arguments I see is that more experienced players often have 100% crews and equipment mounted... Just wondering... WG has made the game, they don't have any mechanic in to stop anyone from playing any Tier (assuming you have worked your way up to them or bought a Premium) and now seems they're going to assist the new players in having more of a fighting chance...

 vladvirus, on May 23 2013 - 17:39, said:

Well... how do I feel about it? I feel that its a "do something for the optics that we care about new players" kind of move. That won't help even a bit. Most seal clubbers play tier 2 and 3 tanks. 100% won't make a difference either as many people just retrain them and start off with 100% anyway. And its not your crew training that they're complaining about. I got 4 skills on each crew in my tetrarch, spamming gold, all perks and paint - do you think you having 100% crew trained on your T1 Cunningham will make any difference what so ever?

Just the latest exchange in a popular, but manufactured, whine about clubbing "Baby Seals" (new players) ...

WG, it's past time to put the BSC "debate" to rest, once and for all ...

Lets establish an optional Kiddie Pool for NEW players with less than 1000 games or so, subject to data-testing & adjustment.

New players stay in the Kiddie Pool, thus insulated from the big mean Baby Seal Clubbers, until they reach the threshold, then they get to swim in the Big Ocean.

While they splash around in the Kiddie Pool, they are protected from the big mean BSCs and get to club each other senseless without fear of the big mean Russian barracks sergeant-bully beating-up on them and stealing thier tanker boots, thus allowing them to claw their their own way out of their own muck, and to become BSCs in their own right ... Just like barracks life in the two-year conscription cycle of the Soviet Army ...

Once past the threshold, they can never return to the protected status of the Kiddie Pool, even when starting a new nationality.

Players in the Kiddie Pool may buy, develop, and max-out any number of vehicles through Tier Three or Four without restriction.

Established veterans who play the lower tiers will continue to play the play the lower tiers amongst themselves, but will not be able to club baby seals, thus ending this particular "It's Not Fair!" whine.

Discuss ...

[FrankyMcShanky]

I have one question.  Are there enough players with less than 1000 battles on at all times to support a quick que time for for a kiddie pool?  If so sure, great idea.

[TalonV]

I take this philosophy to heart, though most who don't like challenges will just rage quit.

"rise and rise again, till lambs become lions".  No on the kiddie pool. Toss them in the deepend, sink or swim. See who the lambs are and who the lions are.

[DADDO1958]

 FrankyMcShanky, on May 23 2013 - 18:22, said:

I have one question.  Are there enough players with less than 1000 battles on at all times to support a quick que time for for a kiddie pool?  If so sure, great idea.

Yea, I think you'd be suprised how many new players (less that 1K battles) are out there - and playing.
Just drop down and play a T2/T3 battle, and you'll see them

[Shadowcat20]

Not a bad idea at all

. Another trick to stop whining my be to not allow the purchase of gold tanks of any tier until you unlock at least one on that tier through grinding.

Need a tier 5 gold tank, just unlock your M4. No more tier 8 or 9 golds being run by someone with less than 3K battles. From my experiance they will not have the skills to swim in the deep end yet.

And yes, that includes me.

Edited by Shadowcat20, Today, 06:32 PM.

[Blackhorse_Six]

 FrankyMcShanky, on May 23 2013 - 18:22, said:

I have one question.  Are there enough players with less than 1000 battles on at all times to support a quick que time for for a kiddie pool?  If so sure, great idea.

Probably not.

In fact, WG has repeatedly declined to establish a Kiddie Pool based on that reasoning.

But the Save-the-Seals do-gooder coalition, as a group, chooses to ignore that fact while accusing the big mean Seal Clubbers of being something less than manly men for playing in the low tiers. I find the irony of Manly Men and Cartoon Tanks a constant source of hilarity ... another point lost on the do-gooders ...

I present the topic again to illustrate that irony, and assert again that WG is quite satisfied with the current model, or they would "fix" it.

I continue to maintain that the practice of BSC-ing and WG's business attitude are products of Soviet culture ...

We expect them to meet an American standard of "fairness", but their standard of "fairness" is quite different and they are not inclined to adopt ours.

If the Whiners were more widely-read, I would recommend a particular vignette from The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn about a little whine for a change of underwear ... it's "fair" ...

[FrankyMcShanky]

 DADDO1958, on May 23 2013 - 18:30, said:

Yea, I think you'd be suprised how many new players (less that 1K battles) are out there - and playing.
Just drop down and play a T2/T3 battle, and you'll see them

Okay, now the flip side.  What if someone wants to go back and play low tiers for some reason.  Will there be enough players with over 1k battles playing?

[DukeTodd]

I think one thousand battles is too many. Something like 200 battles would be more appropriate. After a couple of hundred battles you should be more or less ready to move on, if you ever will be.

[Edmonton_Oilers_Fan]

run xvm, there are lots of us, then i see the guys with 10k + battles, up to mid 30k

[Shrike58]

They can take their clubbing like the rest of us did.

[eggraider]

[Capt_Teller]

Seriously, do you want tankers on your team in the higher tiers who whine about the other players being too good for them to play with?  You go through the baby seal boot camp in order to prepare for the big boys.  IF want to whine, play Pacman.

[tornadochasers]

 FrankyMcShanky, on May 23 2013 - 18:31, said:

Okay, now the flip side.  What if someone wants to go back and play low tiers for some reason.  Will there be enough players with over 1k battles playing?

no there is not, i am curently training my tier 1 crew for the CW event and cue times are 1+ min some up to 4 or 5, cue for higher teers is les then 20sec

[Backfat]

 FrankyMcShanky, on May 23 2013 - 18:22, said:

I have one question.  Are there enough players with less than 1000 battles on at all times to support a quick que time for for a kiddie pool?  If so sure, great idea.

^ This.  I think the kiddie pool is a great idea.  I do my share of tier 3 seal clubbing, and it would be niceif they had some grasp of basic tactics and how to opperate their vehicle.  When I play low tiers I do try to lay out a brief battle plan and give advice, hoping that at least some players will begin to pick up on the strategy of the game.

[TalonV]

hell I am going back and 'seal clubbing' for the sheer fact of I need to get used to lower tier play since this tournament is coming up. First night is going to be tier 1s and they go up from there so I need to practice.

[Jmo79]

Not a bad idea, but it would need to be limited to about 100 battles and tier 3.  Beyond that and you wont have enough players to keep the battles going (my guess).

[Blackhorse_Six]

 DukeTodd, on May 23 2013 - 18:31, said:

I think one thousand battles is too many. Something like 200 battles would be more appropriate. After a couple of hundred battles you should be more or less ready to move on, if you ever will be.

There have been several threads where the whiners and do-gooders have disagreed with this assertion, leading to the question "where should the threshold be?"

 Jmo79, on May 23 2013 - 18:55, said:

Not a bad idea, but it would need to be limited to about 100 battles and tier 3.  Beyond that and you wont have enough players to keep the battles going (my guess).

And ... to make the point again ... Where should the threshold be ... ?