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[SHISHKABOB]

HanZulu, on May 25 2013 - 02:27, said:

as astro physicists try to solve secrets of our univers. Math is developing as well. In general you can say on those levels they question everything . I bet we will get some math Nobel prizes before we solve the issue with dark matter , black holes etc. even though math seems to be endless for us. For the scientists at that level it is confining.

Math is developing, and we expand our understanding of it as well. But that does not mean that it is not black and white. A statement made in mathematics means one thing and one thing only, and that thing that it means is... what it means. Mathematics is a very straightforward language. That is why physicists use it to express reality. They are not trying to describe the universe in confusing ways, they are trying to describe it in ways that are understood by all. That is why they use mathematics.

Scientists are not confined by mathematics, they are confined by their understanding of the universe. One of the most basic tenets of modern science is that the all natural phenomena can be described by mathematical laws. If the universe acts according to laws that are constant, then it can be described by mathematics. We assume that the universe does act according to these laws. If it did not, then we'd be right boned trying to understand it.

[HanZulu]

EnsignExpendable, on May 25 2013 - 02:17, said:

Seriously? How is a Gaussian Distribution not black and white? Do you even know any math, or are you just making things up?

Gaussian and Poisson distributions are probably some of the most studied concepts of mathematics. Why? Because they are all around us, they occur naturally. If Gauss or Poisson were wrong, we would have figured it out by now.

It is not enough to claim that something is not black and white in math. You have to prove it. You have proven nothing.

Also, I am laughing at your idea that Gauss is not applicable to artillery.

Again in theory to get to the next level you question everything . There might be a hundred times a proof that leads you back to the known but one time you find a new law that turns thing around. But don't worry for WOT I stick to the basics. Since a lot of things have to be simple for you.

i actually didn't denounce gauss. I just wanted to give a broader example that even in math on higher levels those scientists don't think black or white. That's a thing politicians do.

[HanZulu]

Jeeps_Guns_Tanks, on May 25 2013 - 02:27, said:

There you go defending Nazis. I don't even have to edit this one. Thanks pal!

I am comfortable in saying anyone who volunteered to be in the SS or Nazi party was a scumbag.

Yes for simple minds i defended nazis.

[Tupinambis]

Han, how long has it actually been since you've played this game?
You seem so out of touch with how the game has changed.

[TK3600]

What is impulse value?

[EnsignExpendable]

HanZulu, on May 25 2013 - 02:33, said:

Again in theory to get to the next level you question everything . There might be a hundred times a proof that leads you back to the known but one time you find a new law that turns thing around. But don't worry for WOT I stick to the basics. Since a lot of things have to be simple for you.

i actually didn't denounce gauss. I just wanted to give a broader example that even in math on higher levels those scientists don't think black or white. That's a thing politicians do.

There is a difference between questioning everything and going "durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr it's false because it's not black and white".

If you don't think Gauss applies to artillery, write a paper on it. You'll get rich and famous. Otherwise, let mathematicians and engineers do their jobs.

And yes, scientists absolutely think in black and white. There is this thing you may have heard of called the scientific method. If you don't follow it, it's not science. That is black and white. You are not following it. What you are doing is not science. It is, at best, mysticism.

[EnsignExpendable]

TK3600, on May 25 2013 - 02:35, said:

What is impulse value?

Impulse is a value discovered in the game's XML files. SerB said that it's obsolete, and was originally intended for setting how far back the gun recoils when shot, but people that don't understand mathematics have clung on it as the latest proof of Russian Bias and Wargaming Conspiracies.

[SHISHKABOB]

EnsignExpendable, on May 25 2013 - 02:36, said:

There is a difference between questioning everything and going "durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr it's false because it's not black and white".

If you don't think Gauss applies to artillery, write a paper on it. You'll get rich and famous. Otherwise, let mathematicians and engineers do their jobs.

And yes, scientists absolutely think in black and white. There is this thing you may have heard of called the scientific method. If you don't follow it, it's not science. That is black and white. You are not following it. What you are doing is not science. It is, at best, mysticism.

It's important to note that being rational and following logical procedures is not precisely "thinking in black and white". I think that Han, in his prodigious understanding of the English language, is trying to mean "thinking inside the box" when he says "thinking in black and white". While also meaning the common use of "thinking in black and white". I think he's conflating two ideas.

[Jeeps_Guns_Tanks]

HanZulu, on May 25 2013 - 02:34, said:

Yes for simple minds i defend nazis.

I fixed it slightly, since you defend, as in still do.
Considering you think anyone who thinks Nazis are bad, or disagrees with you are simple minded, I think I'm in good company.

I don't know about you, but in the world of decent people, non murdering, raping and killing people kind of people, my kind of people, defending Nazis for any reason is considered disgusting. Talk to your friends of you have any, I'm sure most know Nazis are bad. Well unless you spend a lot of time with Neo Nazis or Klan members.

"I defend Nazis" HanZulu 2013

[HanZulu]

SHISHKABOB, on May 25 2013 - 02:33, said:

Math is developing, and we expand our understanding of it as well. But that does not mean that it is not black and white. A statement made in mathematics means one thing and one thing only, and that thing that it means is... what it means. Mathematics is a very straightforward language. That is why physicists use it to express reality. They are not trying to describe the universe in confusing ways, they are trying to describe it in ways that are understood by all. That is why they use mathematics.

Scientists are not confined by mathematics, they are confined by their understanding of the universe. One of the most basic tenets of modern science is that the all natural phenomena can be described by mathematical laws. If the universe acts according to laws that are constant, then it can be described by mathematics. We assume that the universe does act according to these laws. If it did not, then we'd be right boned trying to understand it.

The question is still on what level of math understanding we are atm. If I'm correct we still don't know about a large amount of the matter of our univers. What is called dark matter atm. I keep it as a place holder . There is no possibility that besides finding new kinds o matter there might be math the missing link to get to those ideas. That's all what I'm saying. On all those elite universities , those PHd and other scholars just looking for the extension of the possibilities in math. Math is not finished, its not dead. It will develop and yes maybe one day it will find out that in a black whole the Gaussian distribution can be manipulated by impulse :)

[EnsignExpendable]

Han, why do you use computers? Computers think in black and white. Surely a creative and alternatively gifted individual like yourself should not be constrained to these parameters.

[Mikall]

this man with the tiger avatar is on drugs....hold me

[EnsignExpendable]

HanZulu, on May 25 2013 - 02:42, said:

The question is still on what level of math understanding we are atm. If I'm correct we still don't know about a large amount of the matter of our univers. What is called dark matter atm. I keep it as a place holder . There is no possibility that besides finding new kinds o matter there might be math the missing link to get to those ideas. That's all what I'm saying. On all those elite universities , those PHd and other scholars just looking for the extension of the possibilities in math. Math is not finished, its not dead. It will develop and yes maybe one day it will find out that in a black whole the Gaussian distribution can be manipulated by impulse :)

Cool, please explain how this has anything do do with math.

Physics is different from math. When we discovered near-light speeds, we discovered that Newtonian physics do not apply at those speeds. But, guess what? The math stayed the same. We didn't have to invent new math. It worked just fine. What you are saying right now is literally "math is too hard, never try to understand it, because it's just way out there", and that's not only hilariously wrong, but harmful for our intellectual progress as a society.