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SoukouDragon #1 Posted May 26 2013 - 19:23

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Japanese Tank Archives
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Thread containing articles about Japanese tanks and their potential in WoT. All articles were written by WoT players.
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The primary thread for posting research and discussion stills is the very long Japanese tank thread.
http://forum.worldof...discussion/#top
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Official Tech Tree plus conceptualized TD and Heavy tank lines by Daigensui. Still in progress.
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The next graph depicts each tank's furthest historical development. Provided by Legiondude. Image edited for presentation. Original in the link below the graph. The link includes other nations as well.
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https://docs.google....ader=true&gid=8
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The degree of historical backing if implemented into WoT will be indicated by either a + , + or + .
+ = very high degree of historical backing. Very little fabrication needed, if at all.
+ = Partially historical. A few characteristics will need to be fabricated, e.g. non-existing AP ammo. Even if the item itself is entirely historical, missing statistics will result in some fabrication for WoT implementation.
+ = Historical elements do exist but a lot of fabrication is necessary to cover the gaps.
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Still work in progress.
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Tier 1: Renault NC +
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Medium line
Tier 2: Chi-Ni +
Tier 3: Type 97 Chi Ha+
Tier 4: Type 1 Chi He+
Tier 5: Type 3 Chi Nu +
Tier 6: Type 4 Chi To+
Tier 7: Type 5 Chi Ri+
Tier 8: STA 1 +
Tier 9: Type 61+
Tier 10: ST-B1+
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Heavy line
Tier 2: Type 89 I-Go +
Tier 3: Type 91+
Tier 4: Type 95+
Tier 5: 100 ton 1 + Tier 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 all link to the same article.
Tier 6: 100 ton 2 +
Tier 7: O-I 1 +
Tier 8: O-I 2 +
Tier 9: O-I 3 +
Tier 10: Heavy X +
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Tank Destroyer line
Tier 2: Ho Ru +
Tier 3: Ho Ni 1 +
Tier 4: Ho I +
Tier 5: Ho Ni 3 +
Tier 6: Chi-Ri II TD +
Tier 7: Ka To prototype +
Tier 8: Ho Ri +
Tier 9: Ho-Ri Kai +
Tier 10: TD X +
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Light tank line
Tier 2: Type 95 Ha Go+
Tier 3: Type 2 Ke To +
Tier 4: Type 5 Ke Ho+
Tier 6: STA JWIG I+
Tier 7: STA JWIG II+
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Premium Tank candidates
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Medium Premium
Tier 3: Type 98 Chi Ho +
Tier 4: Type 97 Chi Ha 120post2+
Tier 5: Type 3 Chi Nu Kai+
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TD Premium
Tier 6: Ka To+
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Light premium
Tier 2: Type 92+
Tier 2: Type 97 Te-Ke
Tier 3: Type 98 Ke Ni Otsu+
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Undecided tanks
Experimental 1 tank + (perhaps one day, this becomes the tier 1 tank)
Chi Ri II+
Experimental Type 56 SY SPG+
Tier 7: Chi Ri Chidori suspension (staggered layout)+
Tier 8: Chi Ri Kai+
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Japanese Gun List
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Others

Buff My Tank: Chi-To (29.5 ton production Chi-To and Type 5 75mm pen table primary sources)

Buff My Tank: Chi-Ri
"Late Coming Early Days Japanese TD" (Japanese TD history part 1)

Damn the Armor, Full Penetration Ahead (Japanese TD history part 2)

Historical Japanese tank development lines
Japanese tank naming convention
Japanese engines (detailed)
Japanese Engines (data simplified for WoT implementation)
Japanese radios
Japanese premium food consumable
Japanese CamoCamo2Camo3camo4(will condense them later)
Japanese ranks
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Japanese Tanks on display
Chi Ha with Chi He turret @ Ropkey Armor Museum in Indiana USA
Nice Youtube video of various Japanese tanks with their locations noted

 

Non-Japanese specific related:

Operation Think Tank 2012 hosted by The_Chieftain.


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Daigensui #2 Posted May 26 2013 - 19:34

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This shall be interesting.

zachdogg #3 Posted May 26 2013 - 19:43

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we need an Italian line more  than we need a Japanese line. the Japanese weren't big on tanks

SoukouDragon #4 Posted May 26 2013 - 19:47

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View Postzachdogg, on May 26 2013 - 19:43, said:

we need an Italian line more  than we need a Japanese line. the Japanese weren't big on tanks

You will soon see that the Japanese actually have more available than Italy. But I am still in full support of an Italian tech tree.

Cabbage062 #5 Posted May 26 2013 - 19:50

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So excited to see Japanses tanks!

And as for italian tanks, I believe WG had plans for the distant future to release a pan-european tech tree that will include Italian tanks.  I think they said they couldnt find enough Italian tanks to make a tech tree soley based on that nation.

Urdnot_Wrex #6 Posted May 26 2013 - 19:58

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Well damn. Now people can't say there aren't enough tanks to fill out a basic tree. Just need arty.

Slakrrrrrr #7 Posted May 26 2013 - 19:59

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Shouldn't the Tier 10 heavy be listed as the vehicle with the 140mm naval gun (O-140 perhaps?), because it might not be related to the O-I?

Also, what if the Type 97 Te-Ke was put at tier 2 in the light tank line, to make the LT line to go tier 8?

Edited by Slakrrrrrr, May 26 2013 - 20:01.


SoukouDragon #8 Posted May 26 2013 - 20:05

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View PostSlakrrrrrr, on May 26 2013 - 19:59, said:

Shouldn't the Tier 10 heavy be listed as the vehicle with the 140mm naval gun (O-140 perhaps?), because it might not be related to the O-I?

Also, what if the Type 97 Te-Ke was put at tier 2 in the light tank line, to make the LT line to go tier 8?

Names can change later and if deemed necessary. I'll keep that 140 in mind.

The Ha Go might be hard pressed to make due at tier 3. Likewise, tier 6 would be too much for the Ke Ho.

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Type 61

this one
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Question: for Med line. will it be light-med (french,china) or pure med?

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View PostSoukouDragon, on May 26 2013 - 20:05, said:

Names can change later and if deemed necessary. I'll keep that 140 in mind.

The Ha Go might be hard pressed to make due at tier 3. Likewise, tier 6 would be too much for the Ke Ho.
I'm just going to guess the Ha-Go can mount the 37mm Type 1, which has 52mm pen at 250m, and the Ke-Ho could possibly mount this experimental 57mm gun:

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Penetration value for Type 1 37mm taken from arisaka38's penetration table

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View PostUrdnot_Wrex, on May 26 2013 - 19:58, said:

Just need arty.

Shhh...  No we dont.

SoukouDragon #12 Posted May 26 2013 - 20:33

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View Postrrw, on May 26 2013 - 20:19, said:

this one
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Question: for Med line. will it be light-med (french,china) or pure med?

The medium line are true medium tanks starting from tier 2 straight down to tier 10.

Im currently posting from my iPhone and it sucks in linking. Once I get to my computer, I'll link up the 4 or 5 articles currently available, mostly done by Daigensui....the Iwakuro, Chi Nu Kai, Na To, and I think there is a good Chi To post somewhere. Type 95 too. And a Ho Ri post from me.

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I eagerly await what you'll write in article format although personally Daigensui's tech tree, while great, I still don't entirely agree with her TD line, I don't see why we should have the Ka-To prototype when we have the Chi-Ri II based TDs available.

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Because

1. WG are not really considering those particular TDs.
2. I don't like those TDs.

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View Postzachdogg, on May 26 2013 - 19:43, said:

the Japanese weren't big on tanks

not necessarily true.
first, the reason they went into ww2 was the fact that as a fairly small island nation they didnt have much resources. and they still import a lot of oil and steel today. guess what you need a lot of to make tanks? (and ships, and guns... and some parts of airplanes)

second, at the time, the imperial army envisioned the battles it was to fight they where mainly infantry and cavalry (horse).
in that type of battle even a single crappy tank can wreck untold havoc on such targets.
when preparing for the island campaigns, they believed the US could only bring a few tanks on shore and that their anti-tank guns would have been enough.

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View Postzachdogg, on May 26 2013 - 19:43, said:

we need an Italian line more  than we need a Japanese line. the Japanese weren't big on tanks
Actually...you're wrong.

Japanese were heavily into tanks, it was just that resources were allocated to the Navy first and so it would take a few years for a design to hit production.

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Any idea when Japanese tanks are coming out? Wonder what WG's tech tree is like. Also, where are Japanese artillery?

Edited by Sparkykun, May 27 2013 - 03:35.


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View PostSparkykun, on May 27 2013 - 03:35, said:

Any idea when Japanese tanks are coming out? Wonder what WG's tech tree is like. Also, where are Japanese artillery?

The earliest, December 2013. I'll add in an arty line but it will be by no means set in store. More like just food for thought.

SoukouDragon #19 Posted May 27 2013 - 06:39

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Updates with 9 tanks linked. Now that does not mean 9 articles/posts link. Some of the posts concern two tanks like the Ho Ri TDs and the STA/Type 61.

Edited by SoukouDragon, May 27 2013 - 07:07.


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Remember, like the post war Germans, the JSDF developed a few non Main Battle Tanks designs in the 1950's and 1960's that could fit in like the India-Panzer and Leopard 1. I don't remember their Type numbers, but one of them was just phased out in the 1990's.




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