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[Septfox]

 FlorbFnarb, on Jun 06 2013 - 17:04, said:

Wow, so it looks like they really do intend to make the 105 completely useless.

Yes, because you totally can't still go through the majority of things in a same-tier match and flank stuff in higher matches, right. And normal HE rounds? They've never oneshot light tanks or even mediums with high rolls, and they certainly don't partially ignore the armor of same-tier heavies and do in the area of 80-150dmg.

Completely useless :\

 Bill721d, on Jun 07 2013 - 05:01, said:

Is the same true for the jumbo Sherman M4A3E2 and the M4A3E8?

Dunno about the ez8, but the Jumbo isn't bothered too incredibly much by artillery (direct hits and splashes to rear armor aside) due to having decent armor and mobility. The front plate in particular is chunky enough to sometimes completely shrug off artillery shells.

This'll probably change in 8.6 when it meets artillery capable of doing stupidly high amounts of damage, though. Guess we'll see.

[FlorbFnarb]

 Bill721d, on Jun 07 2013 - 05:01, said:

I have noticed lately that I'm constantly blown away by ARTY. My Sherman use to be a great tank but now I only last about 3 minutes and ARTY has blown me away. Has the patch changed something? Anyone else seeing the same thing???? Is the same true for the jumbo Sherman M4A3E2 and the M4A3E8?Thanks.

Try to keep on the move, but sometimes arty is just gonna do that.  Bad arty players have a tendency to look for the easiest target, so if you're bottom tier expect bad arty players to ignore the Tigers and T-43s and ISes and shoot at your Sherman instead.

[FlorbFnarb]

 Septfox, on Jun 07 2013 - 05:34, said:

Yes, because you totally can't still go through the majority of things in a same-tier match and flank stuff in higher matches, right. And normal HE rounds? They've never oneshot light tanks or even mediums with high rolls, and they certainly don't partially ignore the armor of same-tier heavies and do in the area of 80-150dmg.Completely useless :\

105 HE is already bad enough that it makes the 105 a stupid choice for any Tier 6 tank unless you shoot HEAT.  If they nerf HE's pen it's gonna get even worse, and pen tanks even less.  Doing 120 damage at HALF the rate of fire of the 76mm and with much worse accuracy, when the 76 averages 115 damage...yeah, that's useless.

The ONLY use for 105 HE is to go around roflstomping lower-tier tanks.  The Jumbo can do that anyway with the 76 too, and gets the benefit of not being quasi-useless against higher tier tanks.

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Dunno about the ez8, but the Jumbo isn't bothered too incredibly much by artillery (direct hits and splashes to rear armor aside) due to having decent armor and mobility. The front plate in particular is chunky enough to sometimes completely shrug off artillery shells.This'll probably change in 8.6 when it meets artillery capable of doing stupidly high amounts of damage, though. Guess we'll see.

It's slower than the E8 and M4, so arty sometimes likes to look for a Jumbo, especially if you get hull-down and start being a real threat to the enemy.  As for 8.6, arty's alpha will become a more significant threat, but greatly increased shell flight time and (I think) increased aim time will mean shifting locations will become more crucial and more effective.  Finally (I hope) arty really will be punishing campers while being far less effective against tanks on the move.

[Rockbridge13]

I don't see why they would nerf 105 HE which virtually no one complains about. Its basically gonna make 105 useless. The problem was the HEAT shells, if that goes away then its a well balanced tank.

[FlorbFnarb]

They've already decided to make 105 HEAT completely useless; I guess they decided to make HE even more worthless than it already is.

[CedricMacLaren]

Haven't noticed an increase in deaths from arty.  But I did see an increase in deaths all weekend no matter what I played. But that can likely be blamed on me having the chance to win turned on in XVM. Almost every battle seemed to have my team with around 35% chance to win. I most likely changed my style of play because of it.   Especially if the win chance due to experience of the team was low. Of the 4 odds listed, that seems to be the best prediction of how the battle will play out.

[CedricMacLaren]

Speaking of M4's being OP, why does no one ever mention the Wolverine?  My win rate in it using the 105 is better than it is with the M4.  I use HEAT at the same rate in either.

Could be better camo, but I have often thought it could be due to people thinking the light armor of the Wolverine causes people to play "less smart" when facing it. They don't rush at the M4 as much, but they do the Wolverine.

As for the gun itself, I have found I can still 2 shot many T5 with HE and vertically everything in lower tiers.  Unless HE pen has been nerfed as well in 8.6, I expect nothing much will change. I try not to aim at highly angled plates and even at 101 pen I should be able to pen sides and rear. If you wait long enough, practically everyone will show you their side at least once.

[alion]

Do you know anything about the Sherman M4 Firefly? It came out at the end of WW2. It was an answer to fighting the German Panzer which out gunned it. I remember the US not wanting to mount a foreign gun on an American tank. Would it be possible to add this
version of the M4 to the WOT line up?

Edited by alion, Jun 11 2013 - 12:13.

[vladiso]

M4 Firefly (which was a brit tank) will be introduced into the game "As Soon As "Then"" *tm.

HEAT derp will lose 25% ish of its pen (from what i know) which should bring it to 112-113 (115 ?) pen. on tier 5 it is plenty sufficient to pen anything but AT2 frontally, and as it is now, aside from the hatch on top, AT2 cannot be penned frontally as is. I think HEAT for Hetzer, M4 and Pz4 will be fine and will stil see heavy use even after nerf. And As far as spaced armor goes, people will just need to stard aiming away from tracks of (mostly) heavies, as most mediums would not have sufficient track thickness to stop 112 pen HEAT.

[FlorbFnarb]

 vladiso, on Jun 12 2013 - 18:13, said:

M4 Firefly (which was a brit tank) will be introduced into the game "As Soon As "Then"" *tm.HEAT derp will lose 25% ish of its pen (from what i know) which should bring it to 112-113 (115 ?) pen. on tier 5 it is plenty sufficient to pen anything but AT2 frontally, and as it is now, aside from the hatch on top, AT2 cannot be penned frontally as is. I think HEAT for Hetzer, M4 and Pz4 will be fine and will stil see heavy use even after nerf. And As far as spaced armor goes, people will just need to stard aiming away from tracks of (mostly) heavies, as most mediums would not have sufficient track thickness to stop 112 pen HEAT.

No, they're dropping 105mm HEAT's pen to 104mm, and it's now basically useless.  I tried it on the test server a bit, and bounced a shell of the SIDE of an SU-122-44 and the REAR END of a 3601.

105 HEAT has become totally useless.

[JohnPaul_Jones]

M4 is nothing compared to the PzIV derp. Everyone cried that they were going to ruin it by taking the L/70 away. They made it into the most OP Tier V in the game. LOL

[foofoofopoopoopo]

You can't really say the M4 Sherman is OP when you are driving a Hetzer. The M4 Sherman with the deep gun can easily go through your sides and back and if he is using premium ammo, he goes through your front easily. The rounds do 350 damage and your tank has 270 hit points. The M4 does have weaknesses such as poor accuracy with the 105 and long reload. The mobility isn't amazing either. All tanks have weaknesses, however it is hard to say a tank is OP when it is a higher tier.

[Rimrender]

 Fullmetal655, on Jun 05 2013 - 02:16, said:

I don't really get how a tank that's supposed to be a Infantry support vehicle turns into a raging Tank destroyer.Oh and cool story bro.

Because you fail at history, that's why.

And its crying from peoplenlike you that will ruin anperfctly fine little tank. I think HEAT should not have been nerfed by half as much as it was and I will really be pissed if HE gets it too. Ihave been using derp guns since the mini on the Pz 3(normalization of HE a while ago stole its usefulness) and find they are a fun plYstyle that takes pracitce to actually be good at.
HE can kill you quick. Learn who carries it and hownl to back away to deal withthem at range. Or flounder around whilencrying that an "infantry support tank" (ha!) Shouldnt be able to do that.

[FlorbFnarb]

 Fullmetal655, on Jun 05 2013 - 02:16, said:

I don't really get how a tank that's supposed to be a Infantry support vehicle turns into a raging Tank destroyer.Oh and cool story bro.

Show me where the bad Sherman touched your poor KV-1, bro.

[saber1179]

Victory!
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Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:04:19 PM
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I will miss the heat derp M4.  It's like crack you know its bad  but you keep going back for more

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