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Toysrme #21 Posted Jun 26 2013 - 17:50

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the condenced version of this guide:

step 1 sidescrape
step 2 ???
step 3 profit

nublex #22 Posted Jun 27 2013 - 00:17

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Sidescarpe works against TDs and Lee, otherwise it is too tall to hit most tank below tier 5 and do a lot of fail HE damage to T-28.

B2 is the one that never see tier 6; even tier 5 is significantly lower than other tier 4 premium.

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If I didn't suspect you were the one negging all my posts (and most likely the OP as well, but it has so many positive reps I can't tell) I would simply respond tl;dr. However...

View Postnublex, on Jun 26 2013 - 17:02, said:

-Note: It does see tier 6, about 30% chance overall, 1~7 per team. About 40% chance seeing Tier 5, 3~10 per team.
-Armour: If you rate it as raw thickness, maybe. Otherwise it is barely enough to held off 60mm (tier IV guns), even at angle, simply because the tank is a brawler due to its gun . Module layout is pretty horrible as well, radiator on the side, crew access on the other side, and hull encase in tracks as well.
-Fire Power: I am sorry, it is all over the floor, accuracy is bad, pen is bad, even for tier III tanks. They are bearable with D2 because other tank doesn't have better guns
-Speed: rating seem to be contradictory to the comments.
-Radio:Could be useful with relay crew perk, but I doubt it would activate on grind.
-View Range: Sure
From the wiki:

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...one of the best traits of the B1 is its adjusted matchmaking; the B1 will thankfully never face tier 6 enemies.  
If you look, the front has a nice slope to it, which increases armor effectiveness. +angleing, you can troll KV-1s by bouncing their shots  :trollface:
The accuracy on the gun is great, I don't know what you are talking about there. Considering the B1 and D2 SEE THE SAME TANKS, I'm not seeing why the gun is bearable on the D2, and not the B1

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T-70: Driver who abuse it turret placement will give you a lot of trouble
D2: Only lose to your hit point, unless you can get into melee range
Tier 3 TDs: They see you miles away, their guns either penetrate you easily or derp you to the moon.
M3 Lee: It have higher DPM than you, it is more agile than you, it penetrate you more reliably than vice verse; your only hope is tracking it and/or side scrape.
AMX40: I highly doubt B1 can get around without some very good help.
Matilda: And Valentine too.


PzIII: It will eat you for breakfast, don't forget VK20.01, which is the same tank with different suspension.
Tier 4 TDs:Aside from SAu-40, they see you miles away, all penetrate you 90% of times, and can take you out before you can zero on them.
Pz III/IV, Leopard, T-34 brothers can all laughing at your awful gun and break you face to face.
StuG have 80mm lower plate for a while, every other TD would blow you away just as quick, if not quick like S35CA.
Tier 3 TDs not really, they are paper, and your gun will make them pay dearly.
I don't worry when fighting a AMX 40 or Valentine, as both these tanks have low HP pools, and you can kill them quickly. I'm admit this much, the Matilda DOES outclass you. And I don't know about you, but I can pen T-34s semi-reliably. Panzer III isn't really a threat, sure the front plate is strong, but it is riddled with weakspots. The side and rear have no armor at all. The top 50mm has 67mm of pen, which will have difficulty penning you, and you yourself have stated that 75mm derps are worthless, right? I also stated to treat any tier 5 with caution. Did you not even read it?

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Not like you can handle any tier 5 alone.
Perhaps you can't



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75mm derp does nothing to tier 5, even to the Crusader. And before multi-turret and all, barely workable speed is useless against horde of quick tanks, nor its non-existing armour can help.
Have you ever heard of HEAT? And if you can't hurt a crusader with a 75mm derp, you're doing it wrong

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Too much calculation and assumption out of vacuum, misleading at best.
Perhaps, but then again, SOMEONE must be giving me those positive reps. Oh, and I checked. 47% winrate on the B1  :sceptic:

View PostWyvern2, on Jun 26 2013 - 17:25, said:

does it see tier 6, the wiki says it doesnt, I could swear I've seen them at tier 6, but i might just be wrong
Replay or it didn't happen. More then likely they were fail platoned

View Postnublex, on Jun 27 2013 - 00:17, said:

Sidescarpe works against TDs and Lee, otherwise it is too tall to hit most tank below tier 5 and do a lot of fail HE damage to T-28.

B2 is the one that never see tier 6; even tier 5 is significantly lower than other tier 4 premium.
B2 only sees tier 4s, due to having a worse gun then the B1

Edited by Panzer9Supertiger, Jul 02 2013 - 21:02.


Wyvern2 #24 Posted Jul 02 2013 - 23:51

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you are assuming a lot, a tier 3 TD stupid enough to fight you head to head will lose, but any one of them can kill you before you glimpse them. The Valentine can angle pretty well and so can the duck, duckie has great armor, valentine has 60mm front plate and with wriggling, you'll almost never pen, but he can pen you with a 6pdr or even the 75mm. Tbh, i've never bounced off a B1 in my KV1, occasionally the treads miraculously soak a hit, but otherwise its 3 shots and move on.

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View PostWyvern2, on Jul 02 2013 - 23:51, said:

you are assuming a lot, a tier 3 TD stupid enough to fight you head to head will lose, but any one of them can kill you before you glimpse them. The Valentine can angle pretty well and so can the duck, duckie has great armor, valentine has 60mm front plate and with wriggling, you'll almost never pen, but he can pen you with a 6pdr or even the 75mm. Tbh, i've never bounced off a B1 in my KV1, occasionally the treads miraculously soak a hit, but otherwise its 3 shots and move on.
AMX and Valentine have to fight tier 7 IIRC, which alone is a huge disadvantage. For them, I would study up on weakspots, as they both a have fairly low HP, and you can deal with them quickly if you pen. Or, if you're lazy, use gold rounds. And you forget, at tier 3, people really haven't learned a whole lot, particularity with TDs.

Edited by Panzer9Supertiger, Jul 03 2013 - 04:00.


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Did well in the B1 during 7.5 before credits for gold shells. I just angle the armor and use the gun's ROF to kill those tier 4 tanks, while avoiding all those tier 5 heavy and TDs.

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View PostPanzer9Supertiger, on Jul 03 2013 - 01:33, said:

AMX and Valentine have to fight tier 7 IIRC, which alone is a huge disadvantage. For them, I would study up on weakspots, as they both a have fairly low HP, and you can deal with them quickly if you pen. Or, if you're lazy, use gold rounds. And you forget, at tier 3, people really haven't learned a whole lot, particularity with TDs.
amx and duck only fight up to tier 6 cuz they dont get special MM. But you are assuming the guy in the B1 is a great player and the guy on the other end is an idiot. Even with gold rounds you'll have trouble with the duck, and the valentine can still spam you with high pen shots while getting an occasional bounce. And yes, at tier 3 people arent that great but some are pretty good. I know that in my valentine AT i'd just sit back and pop you without a problem, and in a su85b, you can pick apart an attack before it happens

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Thanks for the guide, I'm sure to learn I will learn something new from this :teethhappy:

Edited by killertu, Jul 16 2013 - 20:31.


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Just fyi, the B1 got a huge buff in the form of the spall liner changes.  Since heavy spall liner grants +30% to ramming and explosions, the effective armor against HE is a whopping 78mm.  You can basically never fear being one-shotted by Hetzer or T82 derpers anymore.

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View PostSeraphil, on Jul 20 2013 - 22:57, said:

Just fyi, the B1 got a huge buff in the form of the spall liner changes.  Since heavy spall liner grants +30% to ramming and explosions, the effective armor against HE is a whopping 78mm.  You can basically never fear being one-shotted by Hetzer or T82 derpers anymore.
And still get pwn by 5cm/57mm.

Toysrme #31 Posted Jul 21 2013 - 20:43

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B1 only fights tier4-5, the duck fights 4-6. (still better than when it use to fight tier-5 derp kv1's and lowes every match)


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View Postnublex, on Jul 21 2013 - 16:49, said:

And still get pwn by 5cm/57mm.

If you're getting your ass kicked by 50mm guns, that's the player's fault, not the B1.  57mms are basically auto-pen against pretty much anything at tier 3/4/5 except an AT 2's face, so...

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View PostSeraphil, on Jul 21 2013 - 22:16, said:

If you're getting your ass kicked by 50mm guns, that's the player's fault, not the B1.  57mms are basically auto-pen against pretty much anything at tier 3/4/5 except an AT 2's face, so...
1st, Tier  5 heavies, even BDR, don't get auto-pen by 57mm.

2nd, don't discredit those who doesn't auto aim at lower tiers.

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View PostSeraphil, on Jul 20 2013 - 22:57, said:

Just fyi, the B1 got a huge buff in the form of the spall liner changes.  Since heavy spall liner grants +30% to ramming and explosions, the effective armor against HE is a whopping 78mm.  You can basically never fear being one-shotted by Hetzer or T82 derpers anymore.

Spall liner isn't worth it in the B1, get something like rammer or vent to improve your firepower. The armor on this thing isn't something to brag about,improve the armor from extreme shitty to extra shitty doesn't make it better,even if you survive a shot from hetzer(which take 1/20 shot to pen it's front) or t82 ,what next?you're too badly damage to be a proper heavy,and the weight for ram is already adequate enough.

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View PostSeraphil, on Jul 20 2013 - 22:57, said:

Just fyi, the B1 got a huge buff in the form of the spall liner changes.  Since heavy spall liner grants +30% to ramming and explosions, the effective armor against HE is a whopping 78mm.  You can basically never fear being one-shotted by Hetzer or T82 derpers anymore.
I haven't put any equipment on my B1 (yet), so I'm not going to pretend to be qualified to talk about it, but I must say that does sound logical. Rammer would also seem logical, to spam even more shots, but again, I haven't tested any of that.

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I'll have to post some replays of my B1.  Trust me, the heavy spall liner does wonders against 105mm HE now.

View Postnublex, on Jul 22 2013 - 16:21, said:

1st, Tier  5 heavies, even BDR, don't get auto-pen by 57mm.

2nd, don't discredit those who doesn't auto aim at lower tiers.

Uhhhh, first you say B1 gets pwned by 57mm... then you turn around and say the opposite for the BDR which has about the same overall armor.  Just like you, I'm talking about people who actually know how to aim; the 57mm is a deadly weapon for such a player.

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View PostPanzer9Supertiger, on Jul 23 2013 - 00:36, said:

I haven't put any equipment on my B1 (yet), so I'm not going to pretend to be qualified to talk about it, but I must say that does sound logical. Rammer would also seem logical, to spam even more shots, but again, I haven't tested any of that.

I been playing the B1 for a while, this is my set up, rammer,vent and enhance gun laying drive. I play this as a support heavy(as all other French heavy), if you got all this and 100% crew,your reload time will be 1.98 seconds which crazy, the gun pen almost everything from and below it tier.

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View PostSeraphil, on Jul 23 2013 - 01:40, said:

I'll have to post some replays of my B1.  Trust me, the heavy spall liner does wonders against 105mm HE now.

Yeah,but I don't see how it is worth it,it's better to avoid those tank all together in the first place. Even if you face it, the armor can atleast take 1 hit with full heath, two shot with or without spall liner.  It a waste of spot for something that you aren't going to be using that much, if you improve the fire power,you can use that more frequence,but the spall only for special occasion.

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Victory!, B1, Port, 7/20/13 2:40 PM: 939 nXP, 1,023 dmg

Here's one.  I take a direct T82 derp shot for a measly 12 damage, and the Hetzer shot barely does over 100.  I even tank a direct arty hit to my flat side.

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View PostSeraphil, on Jul 23 2013 - 02:05, said:

Victory!, B1, Port, 7/20/13 2:40 PM: 939 nXP, 1,023 dmg

Here's one.  I take a direct T82 derp shot for a measly 12 damage, and the Hetzer shot barely does over 100.  I even tank a direct arty hit to my flat side.


Mmm,here a quote from Spall liner description.Hope it help.

"Increases armor thickness when calculating splash damage from High Explosive (HE) shells (near misses and non-penetrating hits both from tanks and SPGs) or from collisions with other tanks. Has no effect on penetrating hits from HE or other shells."

So,those shot that you took are just lucks.





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