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Hyena #41 Posted Jan 08 2011 - 05:06

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View PostOverlord, on Jan 07 2011 - 21:14, said:

Rebalancing will take place non-stop after release as well. It's inevitable, the more tanks we have, the more difficult the whole system becomes. Current balance between factions is quite ok, but there are several weak spots like tier 9-10 US tanks, Maus, IS-4 (better than counterparts) and some others. Current trees will be reworked, especially US and Soviet ones. Regarding German tree, production of E-series will be speeded up.

It was our idea to implement French tanks first. Do many people know much about them? Have they been represented in other games much? I think, no to both.

Good to hear and thanks for letting us know. Being honest, in the case of the IS-4 I'm actually pretty happy with it (and this is coming from a largely German heavy driver at the moment). The buff it got recently really didn't make it at uber as people claimed it would and personally in my VK45 (with the 128mm) I still really don't fear IS-4s. Maybe it's just a case that I aim better than them, but at the moment both tanks seem fairly well balanced, I wish the VK wasn't quite as slow but that's about it.

I hope the Maus gets some love, it needs it. I don't want to see it vanish from the game.

As for the French tanks. You're right with both your questions, but my reply would be; Has there been a large demand for them? :P If you said 'Name some 1940-50s tanks' to someone, I'd be willing to bet my left arm they wouldn't name a single French tank even if you gave them all day. I don't mind that the French -are- being added, but added before the British? That seems wrong to me.

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View PostOverlord, on Jan 07 2011 - 21:49, said:

KV-31

KV-13?

sharpeh #43 Posted Jan 08 2011 - 10:45

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View PostWhiteHyena, on Jan 08 2011 - 05:06, said:

I hope the Maus gets some love, it needs it. I don't want to see it vanish from the game.

All they'd have to do is give it the 150 and give the E100 the 128.

EchelonIII #44 Posted Jan 08 2011 - 13:32

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View PostOverlord, on Jan 07 2011 - 21:14, said:

Rebalancing will take place non-stop after release as well. It's inevitable, the more tanks we have, the more difficult the whole system becomes. Current balance between factions is quite ok, but there are several weak spots like tier 9-10 US tanks, Maus, IS-4 (better than counterparts) and some others. Current trees will be reworked, especially US and Soviet ones. Regarding German tree, production of E-series will be speeded up.

It was our idea to implement French tanks first. Do many people know much about them? Have they been represented in other games much? I think, no to both.

Such a patch would definitely go a long way towards addressing the problems faced by high-tier tanks, this is especially because they will likely be the tanks seen most in clan battles.

View PostStevepidge, on Jan 07 2011 - 18:34, said:

If  they are are going to fudge numbers don't make it on a failed  prototype.(well you can, but not when that prototype is clearly inferior  to an existing production model) Alot of tanks in this game both  prototypes and production models do not have accurate setups. For  instance the t-54 with t-55 turret...

More importantly, those upgrades came later than any other tank in the game, notably, those upgrades came after the Leopard 1, and perhaps more infuriatingly, the Leopard 2. Specifically, the engine is a 1980's engine, as is the suspension.

Overlord #45 Posted Jan 08 2011 - 20:52

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View PostRAZORLIGHT, on Jan 07 2011 - 22:20, said:

till T9 balancing is pretty ok atm, so its not a big thing and we all know its still a beta

its normal that there wont be a perfect balance but keep it as fair as possible and everything is fine

btw. any new date for the eu servers?

there are so many players atm its lagging too much for us european guys and girls

EU servers are being set up at the moment. So, very soon.

View PostMikeSmith, on Jan 08 2011 - 05:15, said:

KV-13?

Sure thing, KV-13.

Fixed in the post.

Overlord #46 Posted Jan 08 2011 - 22:37

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View PostSiggiDeluxe, on Jan 08 2011 - 22:14, said:

@Overlord, So the soft wipe comes in the next 1-2 weeks? cause u said that the wipe will done with the Server spilt? a lot of player said only crap about this Topic ... this sucks realy! pls more infos, if its posible.


thank you verry much

There is no technical necessity in soft wipe at this stage. When it is needed everything will be announced in advance.

ToXiKz #47 Posted Jan 09 2011 - 03:33

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A soft wipe may not be technically needed, but doing it couldn't possibly hurt. Us players will get to test and comment on all the tanks, which is always a benefit. Look at it as a mutually beneficial course of action.

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View PostOverlord, on Jan 07 2011 - 21:14, said:

Rebalancing will take place non-stop after release as well. It's inevitable, the more tanks we have, the more difficult the whole system becomes. Current balance between factions is quite ok, but there are several weak spots like tier 9-10 US tanks, Maus, IS-4 (better than counterparts) and some others. Current trees will be reworked, especially US and Soviet ones. Regarding German tree, production of E-series will be speeded up.

This is interesting. Could you share details on how much better IS-4 performs compared to VK45 and T34?
Did this change with the front armor buff?

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View PostMike_Hammer, on Jan 09 2011 - 03:46, said:

This is interesting. Could you share details on how much better IS-4 performs compared to VK45 and T34?
Did this change with the front armor buff?

It's always been marginally better iirc.

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View Postsharpeh, on Jan 09 2011 - 03:47, said:

It's always been marginally better iirc.

We all know how fervently you think so, and how you don't need any stats to back your opinion with, and how you make some rather odd claims in these Tier9 discussions, but in the last average xp comparison Overlord posted it was not doing better.

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View PostMike_Hammer, on Jan 09 2011 - 03:53, said:

We all know how fervently you think so, and how you don't need any stats to back your opinion with, and how you make some rather odd claims in these Tier9 discussions, but in the last average xp comparison Overlord posted it was not doing better.


IS7/T30/Maus

Win % - 46/50/47 %

Survival rate - 44/40/41%

Exp per battle - 451/480/448

VK4502/T34/IS4

Win % - 49/51/49 %

Survival rate - 42/40/41%

Exp per battle - 454/476/461

It should give better understanding I guess.

http://forum.worldof...getting-nerfed/

This was when american tanks first came out.

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View Postsharpeh, on Jan 09 2011 - 04:18, said:

IS7/T30/Maus

Win % - 46/50/47 %

Survival rate - 44/40/41%

Exp per battle - 451/480/448

VK4502/T34/IS4

Win % - 49/51/49 %

Survival rate - 42/40/41%

Exp per battle - 454/476/461

It should give better understanding I guess.

http://forum.worldof...getting-nerfed/

This was when american tanks first came out.

That sample is vulnerable to sampling bias. The people most likely to have american tanks upon them first coming out would likely have had a large pool of free xp to burn. i.e. they would most likely be experienced players, and therefore the sample would be stronger than if it had been a random sample.

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View PostEchelonIII, on Jan 09 2011 - 04:50, said:

That sample is vulnerable to sampling bias. The people most likely to have american tanks upon them first coming out would likely have had a large pool of free xp to burn. i.e. they would most likely be experienced players, and therefore the sample would be stronger than if it had been a random sample.

I know, but I'm not going to say that, apparently I'm pretty fervent as is

Schneider #54 Posted Jan 09 2011 - 11:46

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Cant thoose sirs not simply answer a ?
Softwipe yes or no ?
Not more not less.
And if you don't know know than better saying nothing is better than speak in riddles.
No offence i love this game but what kills it are thoose announcements which are not kept .
Don't untill you are 200% shure

BobFromMarketing #55 Posted Jan 09 2011 - 12:13

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How dare we compare experienced players playing vehicles well against the average scrub!

Mike_Hammer #56 Posted Jan 09 2011 - 13:02

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View Postsharpeh, on Jan 09 2011 - 04:18, said:

IS7/T30/Maus

Win % - 46/50/47 %

Survival rate - 44/40/41%

Exp per battle - 451/480/448

VK4502/T34/IS4

Win % - 49/51/49 %

Survival rate - 42/40/41%

Exp per battle - 454/476/461

It should give better understanding I guess.

http://forum.worldof...getting-nerfed/

This was when american tanks first came out.
:rolleyes:

Yes, and in these stats IS-4 is not doing better then either T34 or VK45, like I said, so why do you post them? 1.5% higher xp (then VK45) is too small difference to matter, survival is lower then VK45, and win rate is the same.

Btw you can link a specific post as well, the number in the upper right corner of every post is a link to that specific post.

So that is why I am asking OVERLORD when the situation changed and how much it changed.

sharpeh #57 Posted Jan 09 2011 - 15:46

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View PostMike_Hammer, on Jan 09 2011 - 13:02, said:

:rolleyes:

Yes, and in these stats IS-4 is not doing better then either T34 or VK45, like I said, so why do you post them? 1.5% higher xp (then VK45) is too small difference to matter, survival is lower then VK45, and win rate is the same.

Btw you can link a specific post as well, the number in the upper right corner of every post is a link to that specific post.

So that is why I am asking OVERLORD when the situation changed and how much it changed.

I posted it because that's the only stats I recall, and I vaguely remember the IS4 leading the stats before the American tanks came out. Then American tanks came out and within about a week they were considered OP by those stats, however there's so many other variables imo. One of my key points was though, before American tanks iirc (I'm not digging for more quotes I'm sorry) the Russian tanks were doing marginally better than the German tanks. I have to question why the Russian tanks are allowed to lead but if any other nation even starts to they get the nerf hammer. Now I'm not going to cry bias here, I don't care. I just want balance.

Thank you for the post number thing.

I have to imagine it changed drastically, hell I'd love to see the stats now that Americans are nerfed. I think the stats now would be a good comparison to the tanks as opposed to a week after the american tanks were released.

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View Postsharpeh, on Jan 09 2011 - 15:46, said:

I have to imagine it changed drastically, hell I'd love to see the stats now that Americans are nerfed. I think the stats now would be a good comparison to the tanks as opposed to a week after the american tanks were released.

Would be nice to see new data yeah.

I only have 40 games in T32, all post nerf, so a bit premature to claim that much. However, KT and IS-3 were for me both at 1800dmg/game, one just under, the other just over, after 300-400games. I got the big gun for T32 from the start, and from the start it's been at just over 2000dmg/game. Win rate hasn't materialized yet, but I've no doubt it will. So I won't claim for certain but I'd say T32 remains the best tank in tier, despite 20mm lower penetration.

I hardly noticed the nerfs to T29 postpatch, it remains the strongest in tier, maybe not by as big a margin anymore though.

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View PostMike_Hammer, on Jan 09 2011 - 17:22, said:

Would be nice to see new data yeah.

I only have 40 games in T32, all post nerf, so a bit premature to claim that much. However, KT and IS-3 were for me both at 1800dmg/game, one just under, the other just over, after 300-400games. I got the big gun for T32 from the start, and from the start it's been at just over 2000dmg/game. Win rate hasn't materialized yet, but I've no doubt it will. So I won't claim for certain but I'd say T32 remains the best tank in tier, despite 20mm lower penetration.

I hardly noticed the nerfs to T29 postpatch, it remains the strongest in tier, maybe not by as big a margin anymore though.

I just can't imagine americans as being a powerhouse anymore, even when they were buffed. But I rarely if ever face front armor so maybe that's the issue. I rolled a T32 maybe? The one above the T29 through his front armor with the long 88. I could hurt a IS4 like that if I had some variables in my favor but it seems like the T34 has a lot of threats that it has to take into account each battle. There isn't a single tank I have that fears the T29, I think I can even reliably penetrate it with the short 88 in my jagdpz4. and My E8 fears it no less than any other tank, that is to say my E8 fears everything. and my T34-85 loves the american heavies, they are just big ol piggy banks waiting to be exploited. But maybe I'm not the average user here and maybe they do roll up the other tankers.

Either way I want a softwipe so I can try out the T29 and what have you. They look nice and supposedly hit hard, sounds like my kind of tank.

I mean here's the deal, I think maybe you're right, maybe through ninja nerfs or I've just gotten better at the game. My long 88 can somewhat reliably penetrate the front of the IS4, and I've sort of stopped using my long 105 but maybe I wont bounce on the side of the IS3 anymore either. Either way I feel the russian and german heavies shy of the maus v IS7 are a bit more balanced than they used to be, or that I felt they used to be. Maybe it's just that the 105 is wonky. Either way the IS7 is stupid difficult to fight, and the IS4 is stupid fast and messes my ausf b up something fierce, I don't think the 128 tears me up as bad as the IS4 does. that's opinion for now though.

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View PostMike_Hammer, on Jan 09 2011 - 03:46, said:

This is interesting. Could you share details on how much better IS-4 performs compared to VK45 and T34?
Did this change with the front armor buff?

View PostMike_Hammer, on Jan 09 2011 - 13:02, said:

:rolleyes:

Yes, and in these stats IS-4 is not doing better then either T34 or VK45, like I said, so why do you post them? 1.5% higher xp (then VK45) is too small difference to matter, survival is lower then VK45, and win rate is the same.

Btw you can link a specific post as well, the number in the upper right corner of every post is a link to that specific post.

So that is why I am asking OVERLORD when the situation changed and how much it changed.

Still don't have new statistics. We expect to get it on January 17 (if the statserver is ok).




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