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NachtKriechen #1 Posted Jul 09 2013 - 16:15

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I'm assuming it is because a larger platoon in a Public match could easily stack-up & overrun the opposing team.

However, the 3-tank platoon prevents proper coverage formations, like these (unless you're lucky enough to get some people to actually work with you):           

Just curious... :smile:

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cashdash #2 Posted Jul 09 2013 - 16:16

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because 3 tanks working together is more than enough to shift a battle in one sides favor.

4 or 5 would be unfair to the rest of the players.

ratpak #3 Posted Jul 09 2013 - 16:16

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you answered your own question, good job.

panzer2363 #4 Posted Jul 09 2013 - 16:17

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see that would be awsome but just too easy. its unfair for the baby seal's

Dockmaster #5 Posted Jul 09 2013 - 16:17

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View Postratpak, on Jul 09 2013 - 16:16, said:

you answered your own question, good job.
^^^^ This ^^^^

Top_Gear_UK #6 Posted Jul 09 2013 - 16:17

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Imagine 5 kittehs in a tier 5 with derpshermans, and on the same team 5 -G- guys with KV's. And in the other corner we have a random mix of 43-48% ers. How long do you think this game would last?

Negreppers who don't explain themselves get dirty socks and tampons for Christmas....

Edited by Top_Gear_UK, Jul 11 2013 - 18:42.


ramp4ge #7 Posted Jul 09 2013 - 16:18

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A platoon of 3 skilled players will already roll a pub match.

Can you imagine 5?

Yes, it's Wargaming's way of capping skill.

Das_Schlippo #8 Posted Jul 09 2013 - 16:18

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Imagine loading into a server and finding two five-man platoons of purples on the other team.

All it would do is encourage more afk/load and leave situations, and we have far too many of those as it is.

nikeshoks #9 Posted Jul 09 2013 - 16:20

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You want realism? join the army - SerB

Edited by nikeshoks, Jul 09 2013 - 16:59.


Blackhorse_Six #10 Posted Jul 09 2013 - 16:20

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Mid and post-war Soviet platoons have always been three vehicle platoons.

German post war platoons have long been three vehicle platoons.

German war-time TOE authorized four vehicles for Army platoons, but the SS were authorized five.

It was rather rare for either organization to make assigned strength, so three-vehicle platoons were pretty common for both.

In-game, four or five decent clanners in-platoon would wipe the floor with the average red pubbie team ...

Then, these forums would howl like the Hinges of Hell about how OP those platoons are.

View Postnikeshoks, on Jul 09 2013 - 16:20, said:

You want realism join the army

Everyone who parrots this crap, especially out of context, should be drafted.

One enlistment will get your head un-focked, and the 2nd will teach you something about Leadership.

Either way, it'll make you a better citizen.

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CdtWeasel #11 Posted Jul 09 2013 - 16:26

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Why do you need a proper coverage formation?  You should know where to expect the enemy to appear.  The tanks facing other directions just open up nice big weak spots for the enemy.  Not to mention driving in a line like that makes you a nice row of ducks to shoot at.

SeleneDrakane #12 Posted Jul 09 2013 - 16:27

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My WR would be higher if I platooned with my clan-mates more...
... I should platoon with my clan-mates more.

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the other side of the coin, would you like 5 platooned up people that do not know what they are doing to be on your side? Is 5 good players enough to offset the other 10 players on their side?

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5 T57, Batchats and Type 59s? no thanks.

AhabsLeg #15 Posted Jul 09 2013 - 16:31

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Image a team of 2 platoons of red players and only a few green players against a team of purples and blues.... oh wait that is what is happening now.

Abject_McDeath #16 Posted Jul 09 2013 - 16:32

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yea anything more than 3 people in a platoon is OP.
sometimes the right 3 in that platoon is so OP it will 100% of the time.

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You can still make really good tactics with just 2 people.
Though most of mine involve dead tanks.

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View PostBlackhorse_Six, on Jul 09 2013 - 16:20, said:

Mid and post-war Soviet platoons have always been three vehicle platoons.
German post war platoons have long been three vehicle platoons.
German war-time TOE authorized four vehicles for Army platoons, but the SS were authorized five.
It was rather rare for either organization to make assigned strength, so three-vehicle platoons were pretty common for both.
In-game, four or five decent clanners in-platoon would wipe the floor with the average red pubbie team ...
Then, these forums would howl like the Hinges of Hell about how OP those platoons are.

That's what I was wondering...so I can go searching in the correct location. All of my experience is with the American system...so it's time to go dust-off some of my old books again.

View PostAlphabloom, on Jul 09 2013 - 16:29, said:

the other side of the coin, would you like 5 platooned up people that do not know what they are doing to be on your side? Is 5 good players enough to offset the other 10 players on their side?

We're technically already "platooning" with 14 other people that don't know what they're doing (Until proven otherwise in battle). Why on earth would I platoon with someone, if it didn't give me some sense of an advantage in-game?

View PostVezner, on Jul 09 2013 - 16:34, said:

You can still make really good tactics with just 2 people.
Though most of mine involve dead tanks.

Agreed on the "dead tanks" portion, but the really good players that I've noticed so far are platooning, and using proper tactics (even if they don't know they are).

-edited for clarity

Edited by NachtKriechen, Jul 09 2013 - 16:43.


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View Postratpak, on Jul 09 2013 - 16:16, said:

you answered your own question, good job.

Had to +1 that. lol

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A four or five man platoon will have too much influence on a team and make the battle unbalanced for the opposing team for 15 vs 15 battles.  However, there is talk that when they are able to implement larger maps and 30 vs 30 battles, then they are going to try four man platoons or those battles.

You are wrong in your assumption about historical platoons being 4 tanks.  WoT is based on tanks up to the 1960s.  It wasn't until the 1980s did four tank platoons enter the US army doctrine.  Platoons of three tank platoons were used during world war 2.  It was called the inverted triangle model for platoons.  Platoons of four tanks is called the square model.

The inverted triangle model is a based 3 model with the smallest unit being a platoon: 3 tanks per platoon; 3 platoons per company; 3 companies per battalion, 3 battalions per regiment, 3 regiments per division.  All units are of the same type, so tank platoons of are nothing but tanks organized all the way up to the division level.  With this model battle doctrine calls for two tanks forward one tank in reserve; two platoons forward one platoon in reserve; two companies forward one company in reserve, etc., etc., thus the name inverted triangle.

The square model was developed by the US in the ‘80s and modified in the 2000s.  It is a based 2 model with the smallest unit being a section: 2 tanks per section; 2 or more sections per platoon; 2 or more platoons per company team, 2 or more teams per battalion task force; 2 or more task forces per brigade battle group; 2 or more battle groups per division; 2 or more divisions per corps.  In the 2000s the division no longer became the largest maneuvering battle unit.  It is now the brigade battle group.  The division is just used as an organization unit for historical purposes.  Unlike the inverted triangle model where all units are made up of the same type, the square model allows for units to be made up of different types depending on the mission.  For example, it’s called a company team instead of a company because it could be made up of one tank platoon complemented by two infantry platoons and a combat engineering platoon or other various combination of units.  In WoT’s world, that could be like 2 platoons of heavy tanks supported by a platoon of tank destroyers and light tanks.