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5tgb #1 Posted Jul 29 2013 - 06:18

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I am having a great time playing my KV-1 (79 battles, 58% WR) and have researched the T-150 (1st of all three that I will research - plenty of time yet).

There have been a number of threads comparing these three and singing the praises of each.

However, why is the KV-1S so much more popular than its `brothers`; in fact, why is by far the most popular heavy in the game.

It appears to be the better all-rounder, and the 122 DERP a key its success.  But, the T-150 with its top gun is comparable...

PityFool #2 Posted Jul 29 2013 - 06:20

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View Post5tgb, on Jul 29 2013 - 06:18, said:

I am having a great time playing my KV-1 (79 battles, 58% WR) and have researched the T-150 (1st of all three that I will research - plenty of time yet).

There have been a number of threads comparing these three and singing the praises of each.

However, why is the KV-1S so much more popular than its `brothers`; in fact, why is by far the most popular heavy in the game.

It appears to be the better all-rounder, and the 122 DERP a key its success.  But, the T-150 with its top gun is comparable...
No... the 122 DERP is not a key to its success. The long 122mm gun is the key to its success along with the excellent mobility.

xTheButcherPete #3 Posted Jul 29 2013 - 06:20

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The KV-1S is a lot easier to use than the KV-2 or the T-150, so people naturally flock to it.

The KV-2 is essentially an artillerypiece without strategic view and it has a turret. The 152mm is utterly devastating.
The T-150 is the true continuance of the KV-1, with low mobility heavy armor and a hard hitting gun.
The KV-1S plays much more like a medium (as the entire IS line does) and it has a gun that can oneshot a tier 5.

ComradeHX #4 Posted Jul 29 2013 - 06:22

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KV-2 gun is more powerful than same tier artillery(more accurate and lower aim time too).

Wyvern2 #5 Posted Jul 29 2013 - 06:25

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The KV1s is a noobs weapon of choice because it is incredibly forgiving of mistakes, mind you, I sucked in it horribly, since i felt the T-34/85 could do just about everything better, other then terrorizing low tiers. The T150 is a classic balanced heavy tank that can outfight a KV1s something 90% of the time if it goes into a straight up shootout, purely because of its high ROF decent damage gun. The KV2 is a novelty tank, its fun, it scares the kiddies and is great for the lolz, but post HEAT nerf, its nothing you want for tournaments or tank companies

5tgb #6 Posted Jul 29 2013 - 06:34

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Thanks for the replies.

Likely, I will end up trying all three (starting with the KV-1S or T-150), but that is a ways into the future for now.

I aim to keep enjoying the KV-1 and building up experience to unlock the other two.

Metalgod_ #7 Posted Jul 29 2013 - 06:48

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View PostPityFool, on Jul 29 2013 - 06:20, said:

No... the 122 DERP is not a key to its success. The long 122mm gun is the key to its success along with the excellent mobility.

This^^ The best trainer tank in the game for French heavies is the KV-1S. light armor but quick and agile and capable of huge burst damage (alpha) especially in its tier. The balance here is that you must not get caught out alone somewhere, with nearly a 14 second reload time you can be gunned down faster than you can reload if your not smart. The gun has gotten even better in 8.6 imho so now you can sit back in those tier 8 matches and take some mid range shots with a decent level of effectiveness. The KV-1S is the better of the 3 tanks, get all 3, play them all and you'll see why that is...

adjorr #8 Posted Aug 02 2013 - 00:56

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I have both a kv-1s and a t-150 and I enjoy the t-150 much more then the 1s but this is likely because it better matches my desire for a heavily armor pwn mobile. The damage and pen is lower but the much faster rof makes up for this greatly. While the 1s is better at knocking a big hole in someone the t-150 is better at slugging it out or advancing a line. The 1s tends to strike more fear into people on the battlefield but the t-150 is often underestimated and can cause much havoc if not dealt with.
Really it is a play style choice and I highly recommend having both as they are both very capable tanks in the right hands

Dzerh #9 Posted Aug 02 2013 - 01:19

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- T-150 - as already mentioned is the real successor of KV-1 by playstyle;
- KV-2 - unique playstyle, more for collection

KnightFandragon #10 Posted Aug 04 2013 - 22:15

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How has acc changed affected the "bad acc" of the ussr guns?  Has it essentially turned everyone into a sniper?  Or does that .45 mean anything now?

Sorphius #11 Posted Aug 05 2013 - 00:29

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8.6 didn't increase accuracy so much as it increased precision by scrunching the random distribution bell curve as demonstrated below.  Think of the top of the bell curve as the center of your reticle.  The red line represents the edge of your circle.
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Before the patch (top), there was something along the order of a 20% chance that a shot with ANY gun, regardless of nationality or tier, would travel outside of the actual targeting ring.  In a Soviet tank with a huge ring, that translated into a +/- 20% chance that your shot would fly wildly up, down, left, or right, completely missing your target (or hitting an ally!), even at relatively close range.
Post-8.6 (bottom), the vast majority of those shells that would previously have gone outside the ring are distributed randomly within it.  The upshot is that there's now a much higher probability that your shots will land closer to the middle part of your targeting ring.  Specifically in the picture, in the 8.6 ring you can see many more shots clustered in the middle of the ring than in the 8.5 version.  This is what they've corrected in the patch.
Now far more shots land much closer to your intended target than they ever did before.  The upshot is that now gun accuracy is much less important than it used to be, effectively turning tanks that used to be straight-up brawlers (Russian heavies, even beasts like the E-100) into much more effective snipers.

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KnightFandragon #12 Posted Aug 05 2013 - 01:52

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But the downside is guns that relied on acc and stuff and low alpha guns mean little now

Sorphius #13 Posted Aug 05 2013 - 02:39

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Yep, by comparison guns with super-high accuracy are no longer as good since there are some with much better damage that aren't *as* inaccurate anymore

KnightFandragon #14 Posted Aug 05 2013 - 03:31

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So it basically puts all the cards in the ussr hands.

Their tankd hsve every strength but agility snd acc now they only dont have agility....oh and gun drpression

ComradeHX #15 Posted Aug 05 2013 - 04:07

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View PostKnightFandragon, on Aug 05 2013 - 03:31, said:

So it basically puts all the cards in the ussr hands.

Their tankd hsve every strength but agility snd acc now they only dont have agility....oh and gun drpression
Fact is that KV-1S actually has -8 depression.

Still did not help you do any better with it, though.

Play higher tiers before commenting on accuracy.

Chezik #16 Posted Aug 05 2013 - 05:23

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1. The KV-1s can be frustrating until you've unlocked the long 122. Then it's awesome. It's a grind that's well worth it. The armor is meh for a heavy tank, but the mobility more than makes up for it. I could gush about this but really, it's probably one of (if not) the best tier six vehicles in the game. Grab this first. Better gun depression than the IS-3.
2. The T-150 is, as others have stated, a direct evolution of the KV-1. It plays like a mastadon, and when it's top tank that's usually how it goes down, surrounded by enemies hitting it from all sides. Properly angled it'll bounced KV-1s shells. Even just slightly angled (same weak point as the KV-1 so hide that whenever possible) and it can bounce nearly everything else from its tier. I've had a comet, to his incredible frustration (might not have been using the top gun but still), follow me around and shoot me in the rear while I calmly sat there and slugged it out with two of his team mates and every one of his shots bounced. Then I turned around and dealt with him. Think I had 7 kills that match. This is a good tank, but you'll have more fun in a KV-1s. Acceptable gun depression, since most of the time you're not going to be cresting hills but sitting in a choke point and waiting for the enemy to come to you.
3. The KV-2 is a troll. That is all it is. Pre 8.6 it was a massive, terrifying, death farting troll that returned to its cave to rest and rearm for 25 seconds every time it belched out destruction. Post 8.6 it still is the hardest hitting tier 6 you'll see outside of arty, it just has to work at flanking better. And since it moves very much like a T-150 with the turret traverse of a SU-26 (read: SLOW) it's hard to flank. Instead of rolling around the battlefield ruining people's days you find a good ambush position and ruin people's days. It also has terrible gun depression. Go for this after the T-150 so you'll have the 107 unlocked.

Edited by Chezik, Aug 05 2013 - 05:25.


KnightFandragon #17 Posted Aug 05 2013 - 14:33

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Comradehx.  My shit 1s stats were from way back grinding it when t6 got t8-10 always.

I bought it again and got derp teams and sold it again.  I did fine in it second time around.  Only played like 5 more fights though.

As for my high tiers...ive played t9 m103 in 175battles. Soooooo...

Slash78 #18 Posted Aug 06 2013 - 09:58

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I was wondering what to go after the KV-1 (I recently re-bought).  

I'm use to British Heavies and I want a gun with good ROF.  And I want decently bouncy armor.  Playing a lot in the Tiger wants me to have heavies that actually have decent armor at their tier.

Sorphius #19 Posted Aug 06 2013 - 16:51

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For better (but not great) RoF with think spongy (but not bouncy) armor, go down the T-150 line.

For bouncy troll armor and huge dmg but mediocre accuracy and poor RoF, go down the IS.

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View PostKnightFandragon, on Aug 05 2013 - 14:33, said:

Comradehx.  My shit 1s stats were from way back grinding it when t6 got t8-10 always.
I bought it again and got derp teams and sold it again.  I did fine in it second time around.  Only played like 5 more fights though.
As for my high tiers...ive played t9 m103 in 175battles. Soooooo...
Mine too was back when it got to see tier 8-10.
Seemed to work quite well as it had some speed and depression to NOT get shot to **** every time it tries to hit something.
Can't say the same about my poor KV-3, though.
I was talking about higher tier Soviet tanks.
0.40 sound good, eh?  0.38 even better, eh?  Not that good; especially not when compared to Amerikan easy-mode(2s aim time wtfmediumt110e5).

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