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Personality #1 Posted Aug 04 2013 - 09:56

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It's old news that this nifty medium tank is going to be reclassified as a heavy tank.
But, I was wondering if it will get a new gun? WG stated that heavy tanks will be tanks that posses powerful cannons with long reload times.

Would it get something with lesser rof but higher alpha than the konisch(the current best gun of choice)?
or would it stay as it is with the British oddball heavyset with high rof but sheisse alpha?

Daigensui #2 Posted Aug 04 2013 - 09:59

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Check the characteristic of German heavies.

Lafalot #3 Posted Aug 04 2013 - 10:00

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It would more interesting for the tank to at least get a new set of guns with variations of higher alpha or high rof and I hope it's speed and mobility isn't nerfed because its classification.

Legiondude #4 Posted Aug 04 2013 - 10:07

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View PostLafalot, on Aug 04 2013 - 10:00, said:

It would more interesting for the tank to at least get a new set of guns with variations of higher alpha or high rof and I hope it's speed and mobility isn't nerfed because its classification.
SerB said very little would change for the 36.01(H) when they finally get around to changing the class

Personality #5 Posted Aug 04 2013 - 10:18

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View PostDaigensui, on Aug 04 2013 - 09:59, said:

Check the characteristic of German heavies.

-tier 7, German heavys seem to have good alpha

Daigensui #6 Posted Aug 04 2013 - 10:23

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German heavies until Tier IX focuses on relatively low alpha, high accuracy, decent RoF, and punching penetration. Konisch already fulfills that.

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View PostDaigensui, on Aug 04 2013 - 10:23, said:

German heavies until Tier IX focuses on relatively low alpha, high accuracy, decent RoF, and punching penetration. Konisch already fulfills that.
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Slash78 #8 Posted Aug 04 2013 - 20:45

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Are they going to rework the VK30.01H and make it a Tier V predecessor to the VK3601H?  They could replace it with the VK30.01M (or whatever the MAN equivalent of the VK3001DB was called) as a Tier VI.

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View PostSlash78, on Aug 04 2013 - 20:45, said:

Are they going to rework the VK30.01H and make it a Tier V predecessor to the VK3601H?  They could replace it with the VK30.01M (or whatever the MAN equivalent of the VK3001DB was called) as a Tier VI.
I personally have expectations for the VK 65.01(H) as the tier 5 heavy

Daigensui #10 Posted Aug 05 2013 - 04:44

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View PostSlash78, on Aug 04 2013 - 20:45, said:

Are they going to rework the VK30.01H and make it a Tier V predecessor to the VK3601H?  They could replace it with the VK30.01M (or whatever the MAN equivalent of the VK3001DB was called) as a Tier VI.

I am hoping for it, but it'll probably wouldn't happen.

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View PostSilty, on Aug 05 2013 - 04:55, said:

It will lose medium tank camo, making it a worse sniper.

Camo do not change.

Slash78 #12 Posted Aug 05 2013 - 05:11

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View PostDaigensui, on Aug 05 2013 - 04:44, said:

I am hoping for it, but it'll probably wouldn't happen.

OMG!  We agreed on something!   :ohmy:

View PostSilty, on Aug 05 2013 - 04:55, said:

I think VK3601H will need something extra if it becomes a heavy.  It will lose medium tank camo, making it a worse sniper.

Maybe a slight HP buff.  Other then that it doesn't need much to compete head to head with something like the KV-1S or M6.  It can pwn both of them as is.

Slash78 #13 Posted Aug 05 2013 - 21:12

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View PostSilty, on Aug 05 2013 - 13:39, said:

Yes it will. Look at the enormous difference between medium and heavy tank camo.  Heavy tanks all have significantly higher than 380m detection range for a 400m view range tank when moving, while the VK3601H has under 370m.  This is magnified when you train camo crew.

Thread link: http://forum.worldof...ouflage-tables/
Direct link: https://docs.google....NUE&output=html

The Camo value is linked to the tank, not the type of tank.  What you're basically saying is for it to become a heavy tank the devs must change the Camo value too.  My question is....why?  Why would they do that?

Slash78 #14 Posted Aug 06 2013 - 00:28

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View PostSilty, on Aug 06 2013 - 00:14, said:

Look more closely at the numbers.  Don't you see a pattern?  The VK3601H has much, much more camo than any heavy tank.  I am 99% certain that they specifically nerf the camo on any heavy tank just because of its class.  The VK3601H doesn't seem like it is special enough to warrant an exception.

However, what I certainly expect is an HP buff.  Its HP is already high, but not higher than other heavies.  As a general rule, German heavies have more than other heavies.  I'd expect at least 900, so that it has a bit more than a T-150 or M6.

Most heavies are much bigger then the VK3601H.  They might nerf it a little bit, which means buy a camo net.

Shrike58 #15 Posted Aug 06 2013 - 01:43

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With any luck I'll have unlocked the Tiger before this happens.

Slash78 #16 Posted Aug 06 2013 - 03:03

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View PostShrike58, on Aug 06 2013 - 01:43, said:

With any luck I'll have unlocked the Tiger before this happens.

You won't feel very lucky once you've actually driven a Tiger.

lightball20 #17 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 22:09

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View PostSlash78, on Aug 04 2013 - 20:45, said:

Are they going to rework the VK30.01H and make it a Tier V predecessor to the VK3601H?  They could replace it with the VK30.01M (or whatever the MAN equivalent of the VK3001DB was called) as a Tier VI.
Posted 4 days before official announcement.

Are you psychic?

Slash78 #18 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 23:10

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View Postlightball20, on Aug 08 2013 - 22:09, said:

Posted 4 days before official announcement.
Are you psychic?
Dude, I was looking for that post after I saw the news today.  Yes, I'm absolutely psychic.
That or even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Though I'm also kinda pissed.  I'm half way through the Panther and have the Tiger up to elite.  So while new tanks are always nice, no real reason for me to drive the DW or Panther prototype.  Which is a bummer.

Edited by Slash78, Aug 08 2013 - 23:11.


cassalicamozzato #19 Posted Aug 26 2013 - 12:54

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After listen to the devs saying "little changes to transform the VK 36.01H into a HT", i´ll understand that a nerf was coming to my beloved VK.

On the test server, the VK 36.01H looks faster on plain terrain, but lacks horsepower to climb small hills, with a huge speed drop at any obstacle faced.

The konisch gun, in my opinion, don´t need to exist anymore. It´s very redundant to the 7,5cm L70 gun.

Ok, we all know that the projectile speed is much faster / +7mm pen / 0,01 acc advantage over it, but on the VK the main asset of the konisch gun was the 165 dmg instead of the 135 dmg.

They changed the rate of fire, but for me, DPM is effective with a certain ammount of alpha... without a little alpha, the DPM becomes useless, since you have to expose too much to take out enemies.

They could have changed everything, but not the Konisch gun. Now, the VK 36.01H looks more or less like a Churchill III...

remington79 #20 Posted Aug 26 2013 - 20:55

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I don't like how they're changing the 3601.  I've had some great games in that tank and I find it fun with the Konisch.  They just buffed the konisch to be somewhat normal for its tier and now they're going to nerf it and slow the tank down?  WTF?  Hopefully they'll listen to the testers and not nerf the tank.  After fixing the konisch last time it was actually able to hold its own.  I like the L70 but when you start getting up to where the 3601 is you need something a little stronger.  For me the 88 doesn't have the pen to be worth running.