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sp15 #1 Posted Aug 07 2013 - 20:22

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Hallo everyone!
welcome to the third part of my European tech tree series.
This will give you a look of how the european tank tree may look.
and this part is dedicated to the actual structure and lines of the tree.
the previous parts are
European tech tree part 1: Swedish branch
my initial idea for a swedish branch, this will be updated
European tech tree part 2: Possible tanks
a summary of most the european tanks i know of
One note before we start is that im not here to discuss if the european tree should exist or not, personally id prefer minitrees for everyone of these nations but this is not that likely from my perspective.
Obviously europe contain a lot of nations who had many tank designs, and it would be franly impossible to represent all designs.
therefore ive made several compromises to create a tree wich has as few incomplete lines as possible.
so lets take a look at the tree shall we?
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a thing of note here is that ive shortend a lot of the names to make them fit on the list, like Epz wich reffers to the Europanzer or the PNK wich reffers to the Pancernik.
this is a massive tree built with 11 lines wich lead to 9 tier 10s.
not including premiums wich will be a separate part of this series, there are currently 96 tanks on the tree.
these nations are represented in the tree
Sweden
Italy
Poland
Czechoslovakia
Yugoslavia
Switzerland
Austria
Hungary
Spain

Finland and Belgium will also be included as there will be premium tanks from them.
so lets have a rundown of the lines.
1 heavy line using polish designs wich end up with a tank much like the maus
2 light tank lines, one with autoloaders wich tie in with the swedish line at tier 8, and one without autoloaders wich end up with the swiss panzer 61.
1 italian heavy line wich ties in with the swedish line at tier 8, or continues with medium tanks
2 artillery lines one featuring mobile czech vehicles wich end up with a 305mm howitzer, and one with mainly swedish and italian vehicles wich end up with a 155mm autoloader SPG
2 full medium lines one with czech tanks and the other with hungarian and yugoslav line.
1 swedish line wich consists mainly of medium and light tanks but wich ends up with a mobile 120mm autoloader heavy tank
2 td lines one turreted wich goes up to tier 8, and one not turreted swedish td line wich reaches tier 10 with the Strv 103A.
A few notes about these lines.
these will most likely change as i get more knowlegable on the subject of european tanks.
the full swedish td line was not preffered but was put in without foreign designs to maximise module compadability and make the tree less conveluted, sweden was also the only country with a tier ten td contender.
these are my main lines, there will be more lines in the future but these will more than likely tie in with already existing lines.
Now lets have a quick look at the tier tens.
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Of course there will be inaccurate information in this post as there are so many tanks involved so feel free to correct me where im wrong.
and if you want information on the tanks on this list Part 2 covers that in detail.
hope you enjoyed this futile try at making a european tree.
and remember to upvote if you liked it and downvote if you didnt, and also comment if anything concerns you

Edited by sp15, Aug 07 2013 - 20:43.


Bolo_Nike #2 Posted Aug 07 2013 - 20:23

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id take a while to implement but hey they got Chinese tanks why not?

WiscOrangy #3 Posted Aug 07 2013 - 20:26

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KRV 12cm Mobile autoloader heavy tank with over 300mm of effective frontal armour.
A 120mm Autoloader, Heavy, fast, crazy armor.
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alexsyl007 #4 Posted Aug 07 2013 - 20:28

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My biggest question about the European tree from the beginning: How the heck would you train crew when one tank is Polish and the next tank in the line is Finnish (for eg.)?

sp15 #5 Posted Aug 07 2013 - 20:29

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View Postorangyvv, on Aug 07 2013 - 20:26, said:

A 120mm Autoloader, Heavy, fast, crazy armor.
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note that i said effective.
the actual frontal armour is 125mm.
also the tank has garbage side and rear armour and wont be as fast as the french heavy tanks.

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View Postalexsyl007, on Aug 07 2013 - 20:28, said:

My biggest question about the European tree from the beginning: How the heck would you train crew when one tank is Polish and the next tank in the line is Finnish (for eg.)?
one theory ive heard is taht you would get to choose the country your crew is from.
but really it is up to wargaming to decide

RainbowWulf #7 Posted Aug 07 2013 - 20:35

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Just send the boys in Minsk this and we'll see then, eh?

Gearhardt #8 Posted Aug 07 2013 - 20:39

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You deserve all the +1s, thats a lot of stuff.   :great:

Eyeless_Camper #9 Posted Aug 07 2013 - 20:42

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Great work on it. +1  :great:

SdKfz252 #10 Posted Aug 07 2013 - 20:45

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View Postsp15, on Aug 07 2013 - 20:29, said:

note that i said effective.
the actual frontal armour is 125mm.
also the tank has garbage side and rear armour and wont be as fast as the french heavy tanks.

Hmm, so it'll be like a buffed T26E4? Interesting...I like that idea...HAVE MY +1's :D

Also, please lets the Finns have good tanks  :sad:

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View Postorangyvv, on Aug 07 2013 - 20:26, said:

A 120mm Autoloader, Heavy, fast, crazy armor.
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Oh noes, another AMX 50 B, it's armor is so OP!

Wait a minute...

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View PostSlakrrrrrr, on Aug 07 2013 - 20:48, said:

Oh noes, another AMX 50 B, it's armor is so OP!

Wait a minute...
A 50b with 320mm effective...

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View Postorangyvv, on Aug 07 2013 - 23:32, said:

A 50b with 320mm effective...
well the thing is that it has to be facing you head on, but if it has to go around a corner or is stanging on a slope it wont be proporly angled and its armour will be penetrated.
it does hovever have 12 degrees of gun depression and a turret with 170mm of sloped armour so if somebody gets it hull down it is going to be hard to deal with.

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View Postorangyvv, on Aug 07 2013 - 23:32, said:

A 50b with 320mm effective...
The 50 B's hull armor is more effective than that.

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View Postsp15, on Aug 08 2013 - 00:29, said:

well the thing is that it has to be facing you head on, but if it has to go around a corner or is stanging on a slope it wont be proporly angled and its armour will be penetrated.
it does hovever have 12 degrees of gun depression and a turret with 170mm of sloped armour so if somebody gets it hull down it is going to be hard to deal with.

View PostSlakrrrrrr, on Aug 08 2013 - 00:48, said:

The 50 B's hull armor is more effective than that.
But the 50B has a really soft turret. 170mm of sloped turret armor without a "tumor" would put American heavies to shame....oh and cause mass outcry

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I have been following all of your EU/Swedish trees, and frankly you do a very good job. +1  :great:
I will be playing all the Swedish tanks myself (except arty).  :playing:

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View PostAznTank7, on Aug 08 2013 - 02:57, said:

But the 50B has a really soft turret. 170mm of sloped turret armor without a "tumor" would put American heavies to shame....oh and cause mass outcry
the hull armour may be as thin as 70mm
and the tank has weakspots like the commanders cupola, wich is hard to see from the angle of the picture.
also the tank only has 8 degrees of elevation.

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suggestion for the yugo part of the tree
   Vozilo A and B (merged into one vehicle) tier 6
M-628 tier 7
M-320 tier 8
M-636 tier 9 and maybe 10
SO-122 (Sherman with 122mm A-19 and V-2R engine) tier 7? premium
SO-75 Stjuart (M3A3 hull with Pak 40) tier 3/4 premium
both are sufficiently modified to be considered Yugoslavian tanks
I congratulate you for the effort :great: . I know how hard it is to make a (good) European tech tree

View Postsp15, on Aug 07 2013 - 20:22, said:

M-636D
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A soviet style medium tank with a 100mm gun and plenty of turret armour
unfortunately not quite.. turret armor would be around 100mm + but at least mantlet is nice and thick and it should have good gun depression

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View PostYugoManiac, on Sep 17 2013 - 12:58, said:

suggestion for the yugo part of the tree
   Vozilo A and B (merged into one vehicle) tier 6
M-628 tier 7
M-320 tier 8
M-636 tier 9 and maybe 10
SO-122 (Sherman with 122mm A-19 and V-2R engine) tier 7? premium
SO-75 Stjuart (M3A3 hull with Pak 40) tier 3/4 premium
both are sufficiently modified to be considered Yugoslavian tanks
I congratulate you for the effort :great: . I know how hard it is to make a (good) European tech tree

unfortunately not quite.. turret armor would be around 100mm + but at least mantlet is nice and thick and it should have good gun depression
first of thanks for the support!
its hard to create something consistent when there are so many tanks.

and i have been thinking about a full yugoslav tank line but i cant really find any way to create one without including foreign designs for tiers 1-5 so i chose to combine the line with the hungarian one.
its a compromise but i dont know how else to start that line

also i know aboute the SO tanks but they didnt fit my TD line.
i do belive however that they could make great premiums, but ive not gotten as far as to make a part for the possible premiums yet

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Danes don't have a tank, can we have a converted longboat?