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XMdead #1 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 12:52

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8.6 increased reload time, aim time, reduced splash and... massively reduced accuracy at long range for most arties, even when fully zoomed in and aiming at a non-moving target.
Yet, I've seen posts that claim that one arty or another is more accurate than before.  So, since the servers are down for maintenance... I thought I'd start a thread to identify these 2-6 arties that are accurate even at distances over 500m.  I haven't found even one myself yet, but since some people seem to think otherwise, let's put our money where our mouths are.
Please list any accurate arties you played.  To keep the garbage posts down, only post if:
  • You played at least 50 matches in that arty before 8.6 and at least 50 matches in the same arty after 8.6.
  • The arty hits the target more - at distances over 500m - now than it did before 8.6.  Do not mention any arties that are accurate under 500m.
  • The regular shells penetrate 99% of the time.  Don't mention arties whose regular shells fail to pen and do damage a lot of the time (like SU-26, we all know it is godly with gold rounds but pure crap against a tank 2 tiers up with regular rounds).
  • It does not matter how much damage the arty does, so long as it is at least 20% of the target's HP for any tank it normally faces (which almost all arties do).
I will summarize your posts and maybe even test some of them.
Arties named in this thread as being accurate post-8.6:
  • Obj 261
  • M41
  • LeFH18B2 (premium? no longer available?)
  • Bat Chat 155 (58)
Arties I personally verified from the above:

Edited by XMdead, Aug 08 2013 - 17:27.


cozza55 #2 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 12:58

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I can attest to S-51s being horribly inaccurate without even driving one. I've been TK'd by them no less than 4 times while being over 50m from any enemies since the patch

FlamingTier #3 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 13:01

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I heard the 105 lefH is pretty accurate, relative to every other arty.

TalonV #4 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 13:04

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the french still seem to be pretty accurate. Don't know bout the rest, haven't played anything besides, my two french arties.  Though I will say the brits seem pretty accurate and faster than all get out driving wise.

HighPitch #5 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 13:05

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All of them.

alvincool650 #6 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 13:05

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Obj 261 is my laser pointer

Adaa #7 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 13:21

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View PostHighPitch, on Aug 08 2013 - 13:05, said:

All of them.

proff plz.

#6 nope, its still less accurate than before, will still miss a buncha shoots, and hitting targets on the move is very hard in it. (all tho sometimes posible).

Blakkrskera #8 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 13:22

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261 is for sure more accurate.    My lorrain arty hits things less and has a slower rof ... go figure :(

Blakkrskera #9 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 13:23

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View PostTalonV, on Aug 08 2013 - 13:04, said:

the french still seem to be pretty accurate. Don't know bout the rest, haven't played anything besides, my two french arties.  Though I will say the brits seem pretty accurate and faster than all get out driving wise.

Which french arty? Mine was reduced to garbage.

Lethal_Machines #10 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 13:30

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Even though I've gotten the M40/43 after the update, I played it on the test server before that patch. Half the time it seems accurate and hits its targets at long range: in one rare case I got 2 OHKs on Highway from an Obj. 704 and a 1600 hp 50B. Other times it seems the shell dispersion mechanism will screw with you for an entire match.

TalonV #11 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 13:31

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View PostBlakkrskera, on Aug 08 2013 - 13:23, said:

Which french arty? Mine was reduced to garbage.

Considering others, actually french is still more accurate than other arties.  And i was still doing the same damage after 8.6 as I was before 8.6. Just took a bit more patience.  And my french prem arty, yeah the bloom is bigger but still hits just as often. Now the damage, well that's all over the place. Hit a tier 5 heavy for 50, then hit a tier 6 for 400.

TheAv1ator #12 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 13:45

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I honestly don't know where people are seeing that arty is just as accurate as ever, because in my 212a I can't hit jack using the same aiming methods I used pre-8.6.

Litterally in the 30 or so games I played in it post 8.6, most games I only would hit or have a really close splash 1 out of 4 or 5 shots taken.

So I would definitely not put the 212a as one of the most accurate.

Although I know you said don't mention the su-26, I found it the most accurate actually out of the Russians I played. Failure to inflict damage just happens WAY too much. Literally I've had games with 20 shots fired, 15 hits and only 200 damage.

LilBiM #13 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 14:16

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Object 261. I don't have one, but from playing T9 - 10 matches I know I couldn't be bothered about arty any more and drive around like a retard because chances are only one in every four shots from arty will ever drop near me. That said... the Object 261 appears to be the exception to that rule since it seems to hit or nearly hit all the time and therefore is the only one that I care to hide from.

Gregor_Marethel #14 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 14:26

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The Object 261 is godly now with its pinpoint accuracy and high pen AP rounds.  If only it had more ammo.

The Batchat 58 is much more accurate than it used to be, but the heat nerf has hit it hard with a lot more 0 damage pens.  The double nerf of the clip reload in addition to the spall liner buffs have made its actual damage output fairly pathetic.

XMdead #15 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 14:38

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View PostTalonV, on Aug 08 2013 - 13:04, said:

the french still seem to be pretty accurate. Don't know bout the rest, haven't played anything besides, my two french arties. Though I will say the brits seem pretty accurate and faster than all get out driving wise.
Nope.  It is still quite good at shorter ranges but I am wrapping up the grind on the 155-51 and long range shots are quite inaccurate.  Even as bad as it is at long range... it is the "least bad" accuracy of the ones I've tried since 8.6.

View Postcozza55, on Aug 08 2013 - 12:58, said:

I can attest to S-51s being horribly inaccurate without even driving one. I've been TK'd by them no less than 4 times while being over 50m from any enemies since the patch
I can confirm this.  Short range shots are accurate and devastating, but long range is pure crap.  I was grinding this arty during the change from 8.5 to 8.6 and I've TK'd many friendlies that weren't even in the aiming circle at the time of firing - some of them 5 tank-lengths away from target when they got hit.  
S-51 is now a pure pile of manure.  With flies and maggots.

View PostFlamingTier, on Aug 08 2013 - 13:01, said:

I heard the 105 lefH is pretty accurate, relative to every other arty.
I don't see this arty in the tech tree any more.  It is the premium one, right?

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TalonV #16 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 14:44

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View PostXMdead, on Aug 08 2013 - 14:38, said:

Nope.  It is still quite good at shorter ranges but I am wrapping up the grind on the 155-51 and long range shots are quite inaccurate.  Even as bad as it is at long range... it is the "least bad" accuracy of the ones I've tried since 8.6.

Really? I haven't gotten to the 155-51, I'd done the 155-50 and I wasn't running into that issue.  Well I am grinding out enough credits to actually buy, it so when I get there I'll have to try it out.

hardicon #17 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 14:47

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So your rules flat out leave out the entire british line, and all the new arties put in with patch 8.6.  So I will just ignore your rules since it was stupid.

Arty which is accurate that I  have played

M53/55 is pretty good.

Bishop is really accurate.

Fv304 is really accurate.

Birch gun is fairly accurate.

Of course lets just remember arty plays a bit differently than most tanks.  Accuracy is done differently.  Most people put the pointer where they want the shell to land and push the button, and then complain about accuracy when they miss.  You have to take into account shell trajectory, slope they are on, angle of impact etc.  it is entirely possible to hit a target on a slope when the aiming circle is not on that target.  Most people don't understand arty and how it works, they just put aiming circle on target, let it get small and pray.  I and I am sure many others can make that shell go exactly where we want it to most of the time.  Now if the target moves that is another story but 9/10 my shell goes exactly where I want it to so to me all arty is accurate, even the ones most say are inaccurate, people are just not aiming correctly.

Johnny_Trauma #18 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 15:14

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I have only played the US Arty line. Prior to 8.6 I was grinding the M41 and now have the M44. I had a total of 251 battles in the M41, 46% WR, and Mastery Badge. I personally felt that the M41 was extremely accurate after the patch, much easier to hit tanks reliably and in difficult locations such as hill back sides or behind tanks/rocks. The down side was that all the other aspects of the tank were heavily hit. I now have the M44, which is decent, but lacks the accuracy of the M41, but is pretty good in all other aspects (it really feels like a 8.5 arty). I have 100% crews and GLD, rammer, net.

I hope this helps, Good Hunting.

Sylvado #19 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 15:25

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50/53 is accurate, first battle after grinding out the big gun was 4k damage.

French tier 8, AMX155/51 could be wrong on the name is accurate, good rof and quick.

212A is hard hitting and accurate.

GWTiger is getting nice hits, it is in between the french and russian on rof and alpha.

Struggling a bit on the UK line but then the highest I have had a crew is on my current spg the Bishop at 88%

Woland #20 Posted Aug 08 2013 - 15:46

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View PostLethal_Machines, on Aug 08 2013 - 13:30, said:

Even though I've gotten the M40/43 after the update, I played it on the test server before that patch. Half the time it seems accurate and hits its targets at long range: in one rare case I got 2 OHKs on Highway from an Obj. 704 and a 1600 hp 50B. Other times it seems the shell dispersion mechanism will screw with you for an entire match.

It's like RNG says, "You're screwed this round." I have this happen in my m40/43. Some matches I can get close enough to severely damage or even kill the enemy. Next match rounds fly to the edge of the ring, sometimes outside the reticle. That one always boggles my mind.  :angry: