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Tanitha #1 Posted Jan 20 2011 - 17:54

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No-one seems to have noticed this new section yet, there never was a section on the forums for old tanks that aren't in the game.
Now there is! So I'll try to start it off.

The Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte was to have been an extremely large tank for use by Nazi Germany during World War II. It was designed in 1942 by Krupp with the approval of Adolf Hitler, but the project was canceled by Albert Speer in early 1943 and no tank was ever completed. At 1,000 metric tons, the P-1000 would have been over five times as heavy as the Panzer VIII Maus, the largest tank ever built.

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Hastyr #2 Posted Jan 20 2011 - 18:20

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i believe this tank, if ever made, would had been an easy target for air strikes, it does seem to be very vulnerable to infantry attacks and it wouldnt really be able to move.

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Dinbatu #3 Posted Jan 20 2011 - 18:26

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Imagine dive bomber pilot see this i suspect it will be free meal for them  :Smile-playing:

Ajatcho #4 Posted Feb 14 2011 - 12:01

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The Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte was a design for a huge tank for use by Nazi Germany during World War II. It was designed in 1942 by Krupp with the approval of Adolf Hitler, but the project was canceled by Albert Speer in early 1943 and no tank was ever completed. At 1,000 metric tons, the P-1000 would have been over five times as heavy as the Panzer VIII Maus, the largest tank ever built.

History

The development history of the Ratte originated with a 1941 strategic study of Soviet heavy tanks conducted by Krupp, the study also giving birth to the Panzer VIII Maus superheavy tank. The study led to a suggestion from Krupp director Grote, special officer for submarine construction, who on June 23, 1942 proposed to Hitler a 1,000-tonne tank which he named a Landkreuzer. It was to be armed with naval artillery and armored with 9 inches (23 cm) of hardened steel, so heavily that only similar weapons could hope to affect it. To compensate for its immense weight, the Ratte would have been equipped with three 1.2 metre (3.9 ft) wide treads on each side with a total tread width of 7.2 metres (24 ft). This would help stability and weight distribution, but the vehicle's sheer mass would have destroyed roads and rendered bridge crossings completely impractical. However, it was anticipated that its height, and its ground clearance of 2 metres (6.6 ft) would have allowed it to ford most rivers with ease.

Hitler became enamored with Grote's concept and ordered Krupp to begin development on it in 1942. As of December 29, 1942 a few preliminary drawings had been completed, by which time the concept had been named Ratte (Rat). Albert Speer canceled the project in 1943 before any were actually constructed.

Propulsion

The Ratte was to be propelled by two MAN V12Z32/44 24 cylinder marine diesel engines of 8,500 hp (6.2 MW) each (as used in U-boats) or eight Daimler-Benz MB 501 20 cylinder marine diesel engines of 2,000 hp (1.5 MW) each (as used in E-boats) to achieve the 16,000 hp (11.8 MW) needed to move this tank. The engines were to be provided with snorkels also like those pioneered by German submarines. The snorkels were of course designed to provide a way for oxygen to reach the engine, even during amphibious operations passing through deep water.

Armament

The Ratte's primary weapons would have been two 280 mm SK C/34 naval guns mounted in a modified naval heavy cruiser turret as used in the Gneisenau-class warships, fitting two guns instead of three. One such turret was supposedly built before the project was canceled, although documentation of its whereabouts is missing. It is rumored that the prototype turret was used as a coastal gun emplacement in occupied Netherlands near Rotterdam, but it now appears this turret was actually built to the specifications of the Gneisenau class and was unconnected to the Ratte program.

Further armament was to consist of a 128 mm anti-tank gun of the type used in the Jagdtiger or Maus, two 15 mm Mauser MG 151/15 autocannons, and eight 20 mm Flak 38 anti-aircraft guns, probably with at least four of them as a quad mount. The 128 mm anti-tank gun's precise location on the Ratte is a point of contention among historians, most believing that it would have been mounted within the primary turret, with some others thinking a smaller secondary turret at the rear of the Ratte more logical. some concept drawings exist to suggest a flexible mount on the glacis plate. The tank was to be provided with a vehicle bay sufficient to hold two BMW R12 motorcycles for scouting, as well as several smaller storage rooms, a compact infirmary area, and a self-contained lavatory system.

Lert #5 Posted Feb 14 2011 - 12:05

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Sheesh, will people give me a chance to buy new booze before continuing with these topics?

You see, I'm doing a little drinking game. Every time someone mentions the Ratte or Monster, I drink a shot. Every time someone opens a whole thread about them, I drink three, and I ran out of booze with the last two threads about these machines. It's a lot of fun, I'm spending my whole life drunk with all the threads people open about these ridiculous, impractical, unrealistic pipe dreams.

Use a search. You'll find 20+ of these topics, most of them closed and locked with the key thrown away. Why? Because there are SO MANY THREADS about these vehicles already.






*sigh*

Tanitha #6 Posted Feb 14 2011 - 12:21

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View PostLert, on Feb 14 2011 - 12:05, said:

Use a search. You'll find 20+ of these topics, most of them closed and locked with the key thrown away. Why? Because there are SO MANY THREADS about these vehicles already.

Mainly because there wasn't a section for them before. There was sections for new tanks, or old tanks in the game, but no section for old tanks not in the game. There is now.. + there is a other weapons section now..

Repeat thread merged /Tanitha


Gho2t993 #7 Posted Apr 09 2011 - 23:39

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WTF that is crazy
biggest tanks i saw in my life

wautd #8 Posted Apr 11 2011 - 08:49

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View PostLert, on Feb 14 2011 - 12:05, said:

Every time someone mentions the Ratte or Monster, I drink a shot. Every time someone opens a whole thread about them, I drink three, and I ran out of booze with the last two threads about these machines. It's a lot of fun, I'm spending my whole life drunk with all the threads people open about these ridiculous, impractical, unrealistic pipe dreams.

Caution, you may die of alcohol poisoning or liver failure if you keep that up.


At the OP, how the hell is this a historical tank. It only existed on paper (barely).

Memoren #9 Posted May 16 2011 - 01:11

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That tank would never have made it. Imagine trying to build that thing in secret the hanger for that thing would have been so large you could see it from miles away in addition Germany's reoccuring problem throughout the war was having enough fuel for the vehichles this thing would have been impossible to upkeep and the shells would have to have been custom made.

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View PostMemoren, on May 16 2011 - 01:11, said:

That tank would never have made it. Imagine trying to build that thing in secret the hanger for that thing would have been so large you could see it from miles away in addition Germany's reoccuring problem throughout the war was having enough fuel for the vehichles this thing would have been impossible to upkeep and the shells would have to have been custom made.

It would probably have required a naval yard or something similar. Quite apt, really, given the designation of "land cruiser".

As for the shells, it was using two standard 28 cm. naval guns, so the shells would have been standard stock. Although, as the German navy had pretty much been reduced to a few coastal fortifications, and some U-boats, by the end of the war such shells might have been few and far between...

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Any possibility of including the LandKreuzer P1000 someday?  I would absolutely love to be a part of that 20 to 40 man excursion! Plz Plz Plz

Lert #12 Posted May 17 2011 - 18:35

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Bottoms up! *hic*

Belesarius #13 Posted May 17 2011 - 18:37

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/drinks a shot.

Gyarados #14 Posted May 17 2011 - 18:38

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Reputation suiciiiide.

tankboy1138 #15 Posted May 17 2011 - 18:39

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it's a freaking battleship, not a tank! :P Would never work with how this game is set up, it would be far too big to be even remotely playable (unless it's on a BIG map. try playing that on himmesldorf! :P )

WesJanson316 #16 Posted May 17 2011 - 18:41

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My liver can't take this

FlatCat #17 Posted May 17 2011 - 18:41

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Wow first post about a LandKreuzer P1000 ok maybe not. You post is number 1,200,3333,003 about the LandKreuzer P1000.

But thats okay I'm downloading the patch so I will read anything today. :lol:

Dang after all the typo's in my post takes 2 shot's..

Mikasa_Ackermann #18 Posted May 17 2011 - 18:41

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/drinks a shot

Mizar_Panzer #19 Posted May 17 2011 - 18:44

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I was wondering where the weekly 'we want the tank version of Bismarck' thread is  :Smile_great:

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View Posttankboy1138, on May 17 2011 - 18:39, said:

it's a freaking battleship, not a tank! :P Would never work with how this game is set up, it would be far too big to be even remotely playable (unless it's on a BIG map. try playing that on himmesldorf! :P )
It could be a map itself!