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Krieger_07b #24261 Posted Dec 24 2014 - 06:32

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Oh no, somebody isn't bending over backwards to accommodate the resident drama queen! Better light the mod alarm, we can't have someone's feelings being hurt!

Daigensui #24262 Posted Dec 24 2014 - 06:32

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View Postxthetenth, on Dec 23 2014 - 21:26, said:

Yeah the latter is where I wonder what in the world is up. Cause escalating something like that to points especially when it would escalate to a ban is just crazy, especially in a thread like this.

 

I have no idea, which is why I'm taking this up. 



xthetenth #24263 Posted Dec 24 2014 - 06:34

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Cool. It'd be ridiculous if he got banned over a joking post that really could only offend typographers.

Jeeps_Guns_Tanks #24264 Posted Dec 24 2014 - 06:35

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View PostKrieger_07b, on Dec 23 2014 - 21:32, said:

Oh no, somebody isn't bending over backwards to accommodate the resident drama queen! Better light the mod alarm, we can't have someone's feelings being hurt!

 

Don't play with fire comrade, put the cancer on ignore, that's the only way it will die. 

Krieger_07b #24265 Posted Dec 24 2014 - 06:38

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View PostJeeps_Guns_Tanks, on Dec 23 2014 - 23:35, said:

 

Don't play with fire comrade, put the cancer on ignore, that's the only way it will die. 

 

I did, but I'm stupid and press the 'view anyway' button.

M103_Longstreet #24266 Posted Dec 24 2014 - 07:00

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collimatrix #24267 Posted Dec 24 2014 - 17:16

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Rumors of IS-7's Mediocrity are Capitalist Lies

 

The Kubinka IS-7 is one of several IS-7 prototypes that were made, along with several additional turrets and hulls that were used for various testing (how do you think they knew for sure it was immune to 128mm guns?  They filled one of the spare hulls with dogs and shot at it, that's how.).  As such, not all the equipment that was ever tested on IS-7 is one the Kubinka tank, and it appears that much that was fitted was later removed.

 

If you compare this picture to The_Chieftain's video, you can tell for sure that it's from the interior of an IS-7.  The periscopes and lack of a gunner's station in front of the commander match perfectly.  You can see, however, that there's an optical instrument hanging down from the commander's hatch that was removed or was never fitted to the Kubinka IS-7 (and may have cost it its passing grade in commander's accommodations due to eating up his headroom).  This device is the ТКП-2.  Another commander's optic, called ТКБ-8 was in the works with prototypes delivered in 1948.  A third commander's vision device called ТКНС was developed later in 1948.

 

A re-design of the turret was called for in 1948 that would have improved accommodations for the commander's optics, including some sort of linkages (I'm assuming electromechanical linkages for the hunter-killer system, or perhaps for stabilization).  This redesign was either never implemented, or Kubinka's IS-7 predates them.

 

My machine-translated Russian source also mentions some modifications to the IS-7's hull that make it clear that the Kubinka IS-7 does not have the final iteration hull.  For instance, a list of changes clearly mentions strengthening the lower front plate of the pike to be the same thickness as the upper pike plates (exactly like it is in-game), while the one in Kubinka has thicker upper front plates than lower as per The_Chieftain's measurement.  The side hull armor was scrutinized as possibly being too weak (!!!), and tests were conducted with slat armor and panzerfausts to see what improvements could be had.

 

Likewise, improved engine and transmission were also ordered.



BabyOlifant #24268 Posted Dec 24 2014 - 22:16

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View PostDaigensui, on Dec 24 2014 - 05:15, said:

 

You really like to play with fire, don't you? Never mind this was what Tied got warned for:

 

 

Now, I know quite a few of you are delusionally unaware of how problematic you are with all this grouphugging, but try actually thinking. 

 

 

That being said, let's see if I can "liberate" Tied. That certainly wasn't worth a warning point.

 

It may surprise you to learn, Dai, that you are not the final arbiter of humanity, who judges the masses as worthy or unworthy.

That would be me, and I do not take kindly to others stepping on my turf.



collimatrix #24269 Posted Dec 25 2014 - 02:44

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Additional notes on IS-7:

-EnsignExpendable's translation of the instruction placard of the loading device in IS-7 is as follows:

 

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"1. Before turning on, inspect the mechanism.

2. Do not grab the conveyor chain when the mechanism is on.

3. Do not bend into the loading area when the mechanism is on.

4. Make sure the gun returns to the loading angle (0 degrees +/- 1 degree) and that that loading tray is up against the breech

5. If the automatic loader fails to load fully, switch to manual loading."

 

Presumably The_Chieftain was using the manual backup mode when he pulled those levers to move the shell holders back and forth.

 

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"Instructions

1. Remove [illegible] from travel position and [illegible] grips [illegible]

2. Turn on the electric power supply to the mechanism.

3. Turn on manual controls and move the rammer chain to the initial position. Turn on automatic controls.

4. Open the breech.

5. Roll a shell on the conveyor.

6. Stop the upper stopper of the conveyor tray and lower it to the loading line.

7. Roll the propellant on the conveyor.

8. Push the rammer button."

 

So there either was a rammer or there was supposed to be one.

Kubinka's IS-7 has been picked over, probably both to cannibalize parts for the test program, and for other reasons.  According to The_Warhawk, some reprobate stole some parts out of the thing, which accounts for some of the nifty toys being missing from the turret.



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Would it be fair to liken the IS-7 as the commie equivalent of the Maus? Seriously, I don't get the interest. Yeah, I know it lives in the artificial reality of being a Tier X in the artificial world of WoT. And yeah, for real gear heads, there's the tertiary interest of knowing every obscure variant of a prototype out there. But it's not like the IS-7 iIRL is anything like the Orc Barbarian skinned and balanced to look like a tank in our Dungeons and Dragons-based game about tanks.

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View PostDonward, on Dec 24 2014 - 21:30, said:

Would it be fair to liken the IS-7 as the commie equivalent of the Maus? Seriously, I don't get the interest. Yeah, I know it lives in the artificial reality of being a Tier X in the artificial world of WoT. And yeah, for real gear heads, there's the tertiary interest of knowing every obscure variant of a prototype out there. But it's not like the IS-7 iIRL is anything like the Orc Barbarian skinned and balanced to look like a tank in our Dungeons and Dragons-based game about tanks.

IS-7 is heavy tank incarnate. Its autoloading 130 mm milkshake brings all the boys to the yard. 



Daigensui #24272 Posted Dec 25 2014 - 03:42

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I would say IS-7 is a successful MBT-70 that wasn't adopted.

M103_Longstreet #24273 Posted Dec 25 2014 - 04:19

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View PostDonward, on Dec 24 2014 - 19:30, said:

Would it be fair to liken the IS-7 as the commie equivalent of the Maus? Seriously, I don't get the interest. Yeah, I know it lives in the artificial reality of being a Tier X in the artificial world of WoT. And yeah, for real gear heads, there's the tertiary interest of knowing every obscure variant of a prototype out there. But it's not like the IS-7 iIRL is anything like the Orc Barbarian skinned and balanced to look like a tank in our Dungeons and Dragons-based game about tanks.

 

Unlike the Maus the IS-7 had a huge technological impact on the Soviet tank force, so I would say it be unfair. 



EnsignExpendable #24274 Posted Dec 25 2014 - 04:51

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View PostDonward, on Dec 24 2014 - 21:30, said:

Would it be fair to liken the IS-7 as the commie equivalent of the Maus? Seriously, I don't get the interest. Yeah, I know it lives in the artificial reality of being a Tier X in the artificial world of WoT. And yeah, for real gear heads, there's the tertiary interest of knowing every obscure variant of a prototype out there. But it's not like the IS-7 iIRL is anything like the Orc Barbarian skinned and balanced to look like a tank in our Dungeons and Dragons-based game about tanks.

 

Kind of the opposite? If the Maus has to be repeatedly buffed to stay relevant, a realistic IS-7 would render medium tanks obsolete. 

 

View Postcollimatrix, on Dec 24 2014 - 20:44, said:

Additional notes on IS-7:

-EnsignExpendable's translation of the instruction placard of the loading device in IS-7 is as follows:

 

 

Presumably The_Chieftain was using the manual backup mode when he pulled those levers to move the shell holders back and forth.

 

 

So there either was a rammer or there was supposed to be one.

Kubinka's IS-7 has been picked over, probably both to cannibalize parts for the test program, and for other reasons.  According to The_Warhawk, some reprobate stole some parts out of the thing, which accounts for some of the nifty toys being missing from the turret.

 

The Chieftain mentioned that the sign described a rammer, but that it was missing, didn't he? And yeah, a ton of stuff was stolen in the 90s for Western collectors, including the infamous Mark V sparkplugs (which later turned out to be modern replicas).



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View PostEnsignExpendable, on Dec 24 2014 - 20:51, said:

 

And yeah, a ton of stuff was stolen in the 90s for Western collectors, including the infamous Mark V sparkplugs (which later turned out to be modern replicas).

 

Wow, I have a bunch of old tank crap, maybe I should be listing on Ebay for "collectors".

 

"Genuine WW2 Tank Sparkplugs, NEW OLD STOCK!", or some similar nonsense.



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View PostMeplat, on Dec 24 2014 - 23:20, said:

 

Wow, I have a bunch of old tank crap, maybe I should be listing on Ebay for "collectors".

 

"Genuine WW2 Tank Sparkplugs, NEW OLD STOCK!", or some similar nonsense.

 

If you do start listing, let me know if there's a market for a front seam, swivel bale M1 Helmet.

Donward #24277 Posted Dec 25 2014 - 06:32

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Merry comieboo Christmas you lot of incorrigible miscreants!

Krieger_07b #24278 Posted Dec 25 2014 - 07:01

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Happy Holidays, [Content Removed. General insults of a minor nature.] still lurking on Christmas morning.

 

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Happy glowy tree day!

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View PostDonward, on Dec 24 2014 - 21:32, said:

Merry comieboo Christmas you lot of incorrigible miscreants!

 

Merry Christmas guys! 

 

 






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