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[RavenousSix]

Rumor has it they're taking away the 1200hp top engine from the E-75 in the 8.8 patch.

I'm not sure if this is true, but I'd like to know how WG usually handles this.

Do they compensate the XP and Credits spent to get that engine or simply take it away and you've just wasted 50K XP and about 122K credits?

[Bumbcrack]

isnt that tank already slow with that engine?
slower yet but taking it away

[TOMAS_legend_Xeraux]

They will have given back xp in the form of free xp.

Spoiler                     

When I lost the 107mm on my SU-85, I received 17,000 free xp (or how much it cost), but I never noticed/thought about the credits.

I see no reason to assume they'll do it any differently with the Germans...unless its Russian bias again.

[RavenousSix]

Bumbcrack, on Aug 23 2013 - 08:42, said:

isnt that tank already slow with that engine?
slower yet but taking it away

These are the planned 8.8 changes for it, it will get a speed/traverse buff and less ground friction to help it move faster:

E-75
- Speed Buff: 30 > 40
- Traverse buff: 21 > 30
- Top engine removed
- Max engine is HL234 with 900 HP

JayHollyLion, on Aug 23 2013 - 08:43, said:

They will have given back xp in the form of free xp.

Spoiler                     

When I lost the 107mm on my SU-85, I received 17,000 free xp (or how much it cost), but I never noticed/thought about the credits.

I see no reason to assume they'll do it any differently with the Germans...unless its Russian bias again.

I hope that you are right, thanks for posting this info. If they give the 50K XP credits back then I can buy tracks and turret right away and work on getting top gun for it.

[CynicalDutchie]

But it is so horribly slow without the top engine D:. I really hope the terrain resistance buffs compensate for the engine loss.

Assuming they remove that engine from both the E-75 and E-50 I am sure they will compensate it with free XP but if only one of them loses it than you won't get any compensation. Would be kind of a dick move if they didn't, I mean 50k xp is about 100 battles for the average player.

[omacadan]

and I just bought that engine for my E-75 too :-(

[Harkonnen25]

Hmm I am conflicted, as my second most played tank losing the 1200hp engine is a serious blow to the E75, BUT on the other hand it's getting speed and traverse buffed.

Guess I will have to wait to see if it even makes a difference. Kinda wish they would just leave it as is. No need to fix what isn't broken.

[DarkstarX10A]

Well ..this blows me away, being 3000 xp away from the top engine this just bites..
When is 8.8 suppose to drop? cause I may as well don't bother. But at the same time, I would still be stuck with the current engine with craptastic performance. Any word of possible XP reimbursement.. if we gotten it before the update.

[soldier12]

an E-75 going down hill at 40+ kph..... yes please

[SilverforceX]

It should remain as mobile, if they buff track resistance. Currently E-75 has really bad ground resistance on the tracks, factor of 1.7 on most ground is horrible as it negates the 1200 HP engine a lot. If they change it to 1.4 or 1.5, with a 900 HP engine it moves around the same.

The biggest impact is the 20% chance on fire, the top engine currently has 15 (or 12?) % chance on fire from being shot, changing it to the KT top engine will mean it gets set on fire very often. You know KT and JagTiger always get on fire while E-75 has much less..  its not gonna be a good change.

[VRMoran]

Thus far the only times I've seen compensation for removal of modules from the game was with the 85mm on the T-28 medium tank and the 107mm on the Su-85.

Even when they reduced the research cost of the 105mm on the T29/ T32 and the T25/T28 they never gave us compensation. Between both the heavy-tank and the tank destroyer models of that gun we're talking about losing over 40,000 XP. I really doubt there will be any compensation for the losing that engine, and it kind of makes me sad  

Even if they just refunded us the difference between the 900HP engine that they're adding and the 1200HP engine that'd be great...

[TigerHawk]

Played the E-75 on 8.8 test. 900hp engine is the best, 20% chance of fire(as opposed to the 15%(12%?) of the 1200hp engine)
They've increased track traverse from 21 to 30, but let me tell you, it doesn't help at all. The tank feels SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much slower than before, it is unbelievable. It feels slower and more sluggish than the Tiger II, by a pretty good margin. They've made it go over rough ground better, but because the engine is weaker, you are still slower in the end. This is a horrible horrible HORRIBLE nerf.
Also, no compensation for that 50k wasted on the engine. That is a lot of god damn exp that I just grinded out last week that I'll never see again.
Man I am pissed. I can only hope they improve this with the next test, and don't think it is "fine as is." This was one of my favourite tanks, now it is generic blah.
Oh yeah, they buffed the top speed from 30 to 40, but you can BARELY reach 32 on paved roads on a long straight(Himmelsdorf) so yeah....just a token "buff" like the IS-7 speed increase to 60.
Edit: Forgot to make note, the medium and heavy engines are no longer shared. Got the 700hp and 900hp Tiger/Tiger II engines? Well good job, now you have to grind out the 700/900hp medium engines on top of that.

Edited by TigerHawk, Aug 23 2013 - 18:59.

[Mattar19K]

I don't think you see reimbursed xp on the test server.  Why bother, it's only test.

[Mattar19K]

Considering the Tiger H gets the increased rate of fire for the 8.8cm KwK L/71, but the Tiger P does not, it looks like there is now a much clearer choice between the the two Tigers.

I'm glad.  I prefer the Tiger H over the P anyway, but the P outclassed it so much there wasn't really a choice.  Now I can finish out the P, and move my Tiger crew back to their rightful place on the H.  :)

[CommissarAdrian]

A 900hp engine for a tank that's over 90 tons...well I've been getting bored with the game and this clinches it. I'm not playing after 8.8.

[Mattar19K]

I don't think they expect the E-75 to move worse than before after the patch.

At least I hope not.

Oh god, what if they do?!?

[RecCom1138]

It will move worse without a doubt.  Without the current top engine it is highly doubted that the E-75 will have anywhere near the mobility it has on the live server, especially given that the Maybach 234 could only give the E-75 the ability to reach 20-25 km/h on level ground(my own experience).

Honestly must say that this nerf is rather ironic given Wargaming's desire to work with historical data when they can and at times remove what doesn't match their data, yet in this case they are going to remove the top Engine from the E-75 when the project was to use a supercharged version of the Maybach 234 that was capable of outputting 1200 hp instead of the normal 900 hp.  Would make more sens on their part if they just allow players to unlock a supercharged Maybach 234 instead of completely reducing the acceleration capabilities of the tank.

[Sopheaktra]

yep, i grinded 50k xp for nothing and truth is that wg wont compensate any of it but oh well.  My favorite tank wasnt really that amazing on the test server simply because the reduced ground resistance means nothing when the tank doesnt have enough engine power to reach the maximum speed limit that was increased unless of course you are going downhill or have a very long stretch of road.

As for going downhill in an e-75  it is very fun to ram unfortunate victims

[Harkonen_siegetank]

Now where all those guys who dont believe there's no russian bias. Come in please.
Fact is german tank are getting nerfed on patch to patch basis. If no compensation follows i think this is it for me.

[Grau]

Just did some battle using E-75, E-50, test server

brief opinion is:
Chassis rotating speed is much better than now.
Also, they buffed track. so on hard terrain, they go quite faster (ex> Himmelsdorf), but on soft terrain or swamp... fail.
Much harder to climb a hill (yeah, they nerfed engine).