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59-16 vs. AMX 12t


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Poll: 59-16 vs. AMX 12t (60 members have cast votes)

Which would you choose?

  1. AMX 12t (29 votes [48.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.33%

  2. 59-16 (31 votes [51.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.67%

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_OttoCarius #1 Posted Aug 25 2013 - 14:56

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I have the 12t, and its a decent scout.  It's final gun can actually hurt tanks, even in higher tiers as long as you get around and get them in the rear.  Mainly however, I was looking to use one as a dedicated scout/search & destroy for clan wars where it will be facing the same tier or 1-2 tiers higher than it.  

Which do you guys think is better?

HowitzerBlitzer #2 Posted Aug 25 2013 - 15:04

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I killed a T110E5 in my 12T

Dipo #3 Posted Aug 25 2013 - 15:07

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where the kell is bacon?

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aceaceaceaceace #4 Posted Aug 25 2013 - 15:11

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I had the 12t and now the 13 75, imo they both work best as passive scouts at the beginning of the match.(with bincos and camo)
then later when tanks are spread thin you can go looking for lone wounded enemys,also good counter scouts.
As for the 59-16,I don't have it, but would play like  AMX's
If your going passive, you really should get a minimap mod the shows max view range and one that shows where spotted enemys are looking, kinda a substitute for 6th
  
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View Post24YOA, on Aug 25 2013 - 14:56, said:

Which do you guys think is better?
I'd say 12t, but i'd say WZ-132 beats 13 90.

Edited by aceaceaceaceace, Aug 25 2013 - 15:15.


scout_in_da_house #5 Posted Aug 25 2013 - 15:17

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12t, chinese are fun too

QuicksilverJPR #6 Posted Aug 25 2013 - 15:18

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Considering how quickly the 59-16 reloads, it's superior maneuveribility and ability to get to top speed and it's higher camo value, I go with 59-16 in this poll.

And bacon.  I also vote for bacon....

Cris738 #7 Posted Aug 25 2013 - 15:37

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12t because you can kill Fv's and JgPzE100's  :trollface:

Arqu #8 Posted Aug 25 2013 - 15:37

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The 59-16 was an awful experience for me.  It has two options for guns, the 57mm with no damage (85 at 21 rpm) and the autoloader with no pen (85, though to be fair the 57mm only has 112).  But in CW I suppose you would use gold shells, which would help a bit.  Though even with gold the autoloader only has 106pen, which isn't enough for even the rear of some tanks.  It makes a good passive scout, which would work fine in CW but was rough for me since I played it all in pubs.  It does alright as an active scout, but is slightly less-agile than one would hope.  So it's fine for the 'search' part, but is woefully lacking in the 'destroy' dept.

I can't speak for the AMX12t.  I still have a bad taste from 59-16 (though the 131 is awesome), so I would vote for the AMX just because it isn't the 59-16.  Plus, it has a much nicer gun.

sniper_012 #9 Posted Aug 25 2013 - 16:04

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View Postaceaceaceaceace, on Aug 25 2013 - 15:11, said:

I'd say 12t, but i'd say WZ-132 beats 13 90.
No, 1 on 1, the 13 90 will win (but not before taking significant damage)

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View Postsniper_012, on Aug 25 2013 - 16:04, said:

No, 1 on 1, the 13 90 will win (but not before taking significant damage)
I would say that it depends on whether or not WZ will ram the AMX.

stevensw #11 Posted Aug 25 2013 - 16:23

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59-19 wins if it has the auto loader 85mm, it probably loses if it has the 57mm.

killswitch95 #12 Posted Aug 25 2013 - 16:33

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View Postaceaceaceaceace, on Aug 25 2013 - 15:11, said:



i'd say WZ-132 beats 13 90.

ive never died to a 132 in my 13 90, just makes sure everytime your fire 1-3 shots, you go reload in a safe spot, that way you don't get caught with only 3-5 rounds in your clip...

you follow that notion, and youll never die to a 132, as long as you don't miss...

killswitch95 #13 Posted Aug 25 2013 - 16:34

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View Poststevensw, on Aug 25 2013 - 16:23, said:

59-19 wins if it has the auto loader 85mm, it probably loses if it has the 57mm.
that auto on it is either a 75mm or 76mm, basically a 12t...NOT!

Wyvern2 #14 Posted Aug 25 2013 - 17:23

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12t is better, hands down, its stock autoloader is, if i remember correctly, better then both of the 59's guns in penetration and damage, not even mentioning the top 75 which is a beastly cannon that punches through everything without need for gold. On the other hand, i've ignored the 59-16 in multiple different tanks, including my IS-3 when it was on my rear, as well as my T44, since 86 pen doesnt cut it

_OttoCarius #15 Posted Aug 25 2013 - 17:45

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View PostCris738, on Aug 25 2013 - 15:37, said:

12t because you can kill Fv's and JgPzE100's  :trollface:
I just killed a few tier 10 today.  They completely ignored me, until I got around them and started shooting them in the rear and taking off -130 every time.

PTwr #16 Posted Aug 25 2013 - 18:32

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View Post24YOA, on Aug 25 2013 - 17:45, said:

I just killed a few tier 10 today.  They completely ignored me, until I got around them and started shooting them in the rear and taking off -130 every time.
Once I got behind a Maus with 13 90, after giving him 60% of cool headed I got squished against a rock.

Noobfury #17 Posted Aug 31 2013 - 08:53

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59-16 is a superior scout overall in a pure scouting sense. You will get a lot of xp from spotting and keeping things lit up, especially as a passive. If you just want to be these other Rambos and brag about killing tier 10s, then play a T12, but don't expect it often. For ever one tier 10 they kill, you will have 10 rounds of being a better scout. Not to mention, next tier in the Chinese gives them a HUGE cannon upgrade.