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KV-1S nerf 8.9

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Should KV-1S be nerfed in 8.9

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balmung60 #101 Posted Oct 31 2013 - 02:26

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View Postspy1309, on Oct 30 2013 - 23:39, said:

And yet they held a 4-1 ~ 5-1 kill ratio against russians  and americans....so if they manage that with POS tanks in your opinion imagine what the ratio would be in kick ass better tanks.
Crew wise hands down they were the best tankers in the world.
There is no point to deny the german engineering ....was and IT IS ... the best engineering in the world.....
Someone who drove an BMW M3 or a Audi A4 knows what I am talking about  :blinky:
Except they didn't (outside of SS war diaries, and the Wehrmacht reduced those kill claims by half as a matter of course, and the numbers were stillinflated).  If they actually managed that, the Allies wouldn't have had enough tanks.  No, in fact, the western Allies needed about 2.2:1 to ensure victory (note that the Germans needed something like 1.5:1 in their favor to ensure their own victory in an engagement, and anything in between was a tossup, coming down to positioning and tactics and such).  The overall kill ratio for vehicles on the western front is estimated at about 3:2 in the Allies' favor.

And in the early war, German crews were certainly the best around, with the Soviets having difficulty coming up with skilled tankers (or, indeed, skilled personnel of any sort) in sufficient numbers and the Allies (or at least Americans) lacking experience (though we did try to make up the difference as much as we could with training).  However, by the middle of the war, it was pretty even, and by the late war, the average German soldier was rubbish, basically being a peasant with a rifle and/or panzerfaust and minimal training and tankers who could barely even drive a tank, then pointed at the Allies.

And yes, German engineering is, to this day, the best in the world, which is why in things like Consumer Reports' ratings, German automobile brands routinely come in last place for reliability while the Japanese brands usually come in as most reliable.  German engineering is often precise and high performance, but it's also usually overengineered.  Too heavy, too complex, and as a result, not reliable enough.

SkaarjMaster #102 Posted Oct 31 2013 - 05:08

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So, what happens to the stats/crew/etc of the KV-1S when it is split? Do they immediately transfer to the two new tanks or do we start all over?

balmung60 #103 Posted Oct 31 2013 - 06:22

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View PostSkaarjMaster, on Oct 31 2013 - 05:08, said:

So, what happens to the stats/crew/etc of the KV-1S when it is split? Do they immediately transfer to the two new tanks or do we start all over?

Odds are that the KV-1S crew will be automagically retrained at 100% efficiency to the KV-85 and the KV-1S will get a free 100% crew.  Of course, it could go the other way around, but the former is how I think they normally do it.

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View Postbalmung60, on Oct 31 2013 - 02:26, said:

And yes, German engineering is, to this day, the best in the world, which is why in things like Consumer Reports' ratings, German automobile brands routinely come in last place for reliability while the Japanese brands usually come in as most reliable.  German engineering is often precise and high performance, but it's also usually overengineered.  Too heavy, too complex, and as a result, not reliable enough.

That's because the Germans never seemed to figure out the concept of "robust engineering", ie- designing technology so that it is fault-tolerant.  As a result, German-engineered products tend to require very high-precision, high-quality manufacturing in order to function.

They make this sound like a strength, by boasting about their top-shelf quality and the "hand craftsmen" who pore over their vehicles to make sure that everything fits just so, but if you read between the lines, that boast about the "hand craftsmen" actually means that they need people to fine-tune their cars when they come off the assembly line, because they don't come off the line in sufficiently good condition to be sold.

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View Postmattwong, on Oct 31 2013 - 07:18, said:

That's because the Germans never seemed to figure out the concept of "robust engineering", ie- designing technology so that it is fault-tolerant.  As a result, German-engineered products tend to require very high-precision, high-quality manufacturing in order to function.

They make this sound like a strength, by boasting about their top-shelf quality and the "hand craftsmen" who pore over their vehicles to make sure that everything fits just so, but if you read between the lines, that boast about the "hand craftsmen" actually means that they need people to fine-tune their cars when they come off the assembly line, because they don't come off the line in sufficiently good condition to be sold.
Reminds me that the German definition of "interchangeable parts" seems to involve a file on a good day and an entire machine shop of its own on a bad day.

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View Postbalmung60, on Oct 31 2013 - 06:22, said:

Odds are that the KV-1S crew will be automagically retrained at 100% efficiency to the KV-85 and the KV-1S will get a free 100% crew.  Of course, it could go the other way around, but the former is how I think they normally do it.

So will the stats of the old KV-1S remain in your record as is? Will the stats of each separate new tank remain the same as the old KV-1S before the next battle? Or will the stats reset?

patrick1 #107 Posted Oct 31 2013 - 23:44

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I have found evidence that the KV1S in game has the proper gun.
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That is KV-122, or a KV-1S with the D-2-5T 122mm gun mounted.

SkaarjMaster #108 Posted Nov 04 2013 - 01:26

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View PostSkaarjMaster, on Oct 31 2013 - 19:27, said:

So will the stats of the old KV-1S remain in your record as is? Will the stats of each separate new tank remain the same as the old KV-1S before the next battle? Or will the stats reset?

Anyone have any idea on this? What happened when the KV was split?

TanksSoUnreal #109 Posted Nov 04 2013 - 15:38

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Quit asking questions for our lazy a$$ cousin and tell him to get in here and ask it himself. :bajan:

lordelamin #110 Posted Nov 04 2013 - 18:11

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So far it hasn't been split yet.

SkaarjMaster #111 Posted Nov 04 2013 - 20:25

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I'm wondering what happened with the KV split back in the day. Did both tanks keep same stats until played if someone had the KV? For the KV-1S split, I'm guessing if a tank named KV-1S is now tier V then it would most likely keep the same stats. But would the new tank (whatever it's name will be) keep the same stats as the original KV-1S or would it start all over. I'm guessing whatever happened in the KV split would be the same with the KV-1S split as far as the stats of the tanks go.

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I STRONGLY disagree with anyone's view that the KV-1S is OP. It is an excellent tank in its tier and lower, but as soon as it gets matched with tier VII's, its "excellence" becomes "mediocrity", and at tier 8 its "mediocrity" becomes "good luck you are going to die a horrible death..." The 122 can only pen a few tier 8 tanks' weak spots, and its lack of armor and hitpoints means that two (or sometimes one) shots later you are burning up in the middle of the battlefield.

While it is a great tank at its tier, any nerfs mean it will become even more useless at the higher tiers. If WG changed its matchmaking, then I would be slightly less opposed to the idea.

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View Postbigbellydude, on Nov 05 2013 - 02:48, said:

I STRONGLY disagree with anyone's view that the KV-1S is OP. It is an excellent tank in its tier and lower, but as soon as it gets matched with tier VII's, its "excellence" becomes "mediocrity", and at tier 8 its "mediocrity" becomes "good luck you are going to die a horrible death..." The 122 can only pen a few tier 8 tanks' weak spots, and its lack of armor and hitpoints means that two (or sometimes one) shots later you are burning up in the middle of the battlefield.
While it is a great tank at its tier, any nerfs mean it will become even more useless at the higher tiers. If WG changed its matchmaking, then I would be slightly less opposed to the idea.
BBD:  Whether it should be nerfed or not is certainly open to debate.  However, the KV-1S's status as THE dominant tier VI tank is not in doubt. It has the highest OP rating of any tank over tier V at Noobmeter.  I have friends who INTENTIONALLY platoon with a higher tier to get access to the HP of higher tier tanks.  Any VI can have a problem in a VIII match, particularly if the tank has low pen (A-43??, A-43??), but the only VIs I would POSSIBLY prefer against VIII tanks would be the best TDs (Hellcat, Nashorn).
In addition, go to Noobmeter and check out the W/L records of the top players in the KV-1S and then compare those to the top players in other tier VI tanks.  The 50th best W/L rate for the KV-1S is 78.95!!!!.  Compare these 50th W/L rates:  VK30.01(P) 52.59, KV-2 63.28, even the incredible Cromwell is well below at 72.36.  
The KV-1S is one powerful tier VI tank.

Edited by Prosqtor, Nov 05 2013 - 19:20.


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View PostProsqtor, on Nov 05 2013 - 19:13, said:

BBD:  Whether it should be nerfed or not is certainly open to debate.  However, the KV-1S's status as THE dominant tier VI tank is not in doubt. It has the highest OP rating of any tank over tier V at Noobmeter.  I have friends who INTENTIONALLY platoon with a higher tier to get access to the HP of higher tier tanks.  Any VI can have a problem in a VIII match, particularly if the tank has low pen (A-43??, A-43??), but the only VIs I would POSSIBLY prefer against VIII tanks would be the best TDs (Hellcat, Nashorn).

Strangely, the Tiger and Tiger II were just as OP as the KV-1S for me, which is one of the reasons I dispute the claim that the KV-1S is extraordinarily OP.

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View Postpatrick1, on Oct 31 2013 - 23:44, said:

I have found evidence that the KV1S in game has the proper gun.

There's no point presenting historical evidence.  The KV-3 really did have an 850hp motor too, but that engine got taken away regardless.

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View PostCirran, on Aug 27 2013 - 14:20, said:

The SU100Y is a slow, hardly any armor Mobile Home with a big gun.


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