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NukeRat #1 Posted Sep 03 2013 - 17:04

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So I have just moved from tier 2 to tier 4 in the American TD line.  First, the reason for me going with the T-40 was so that later down the line I had the option at the Jackson and the Hellcat both.  I am thinking that the 105 is probably the better choice with Heat rounds but I am not quite sure and thought I would take some time and ask the experienced players.
I am still learning the maps so it will take some time for me to be effective with the tank regardless of the gun I use.  However, I would like to put myself in the best position to do well.  Any suggestions or recommendations with regards to the gun and ammo would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you all so much for your time my friends.
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Annoying_Tanker #2 Posted Sep 03 2013 - 17:10

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Nope, use the 76 gun, you can front pen KV1's  and pretty much anything thrown at you up to tier 5, also its the best gun for the tank due to its amazing view range and stupidly good gun arc, dont bother with the derp, get the 76mm  :great:

mattwong #3 Posted Sep 03 2013 - 17:12

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Those 105mm derp guns are very effective on fast tanks which can get in close, but in tanks which rely on long-range gunnery, they don't work so well.  Their poor accuracy and very long shell travel time tend to make them miss a lot, whereas the 76mm is a highly effective and accurate damage dealer.

NukeRat #4 Posted Sep 03 2013 - 17:15

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So 76 with AP then?

old_man_moo #5 Posted Sep 03 2013 - 17:15

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When I started my T40 I made the derp mistake. The top 76 mm is awesome. Throw in a shell rammer and get the crew to 100%+ and you have something like a 2.9 second reload time. Ok so you only do 115 (alpha) damage per shot, but you do it every 3 seconds from nearly any distance you want. You do have to be pretty good with tank placement to make this work, but getting this tank with that gun in good position is a guarantee of 500+ damage. On top of that the ability to reach out and touch someone keeps your paper tank off the front lines.

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View PostNukeRat, on Sep 03 2013 - 17:15, said:

So 76 with AP then?
Carry around 10 APCR for some troublesome tanks, the rest AP

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View PostAnnoying_Tanker, on Sep 03 2013 - 17:10, said:

Nope, use the 76 gun, you can front pen KV1's  and pretty much anything thrown at you up to tier 5, also its the best gun for the tank due to its amazing view range and stupidly good gun arc, dont bother with the derp, get the 76mm  :great:

View PostNukeRat, on Sep 03 2013 - 17:15, said:

So 76 with AP then?
id say 57mm because of the better dpm and the good viewrange and acc
EDIT:pen is ok too

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NukeRat #8 Posted Sep 03 2013 - 17:20

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View Postold_man_moo, on Sep 03 2013 - 17:15, said:

When I started my T40 I made the derp mistake. The top 76 mm is awesome. Throw in a shell rammer and get the crew to 100%+ and you have something like a 2.9 second reload time. Ok so you only do 115 (alpha) damage per shot, but you do it every 3 seconds from nearly any distance you want. You do have to be pretty good with tank placement to make this work, but getting this tank with that gun in good position is a guarantee of 500+ damage. On top of that the ability to reach out and touch someone keeps your paper tank off the front lines.

Right now I have the Binocs, The "10% aim" one (forget the name) and the Camo.  Which should I drop for the rammer do ya think?

old_man_moo #9 Posted Sep 03 2013 - 17:22

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I don't have the binocs. I find that in lower tier games like that, that my team members like to spam the middle and spot like crazy for me.

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View PostNukeRat, on Sep 03 2013 - 17:20, said:

Right now I have the Binocs, The "10% aim" one (forget the name) and the Camo.  Which should I drop for the rammer do ya think?
the aim thingi. american guns have short aim time usually

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View PostNukeRat, on Sep 03 2013 - 17:20, said:

Right now I have the Binocs, The "10% aim" one (forget the name) and the Camo.  Which should I drop for the rammer do ya think?

Hmmm...at first I was gonna suggest drop the 10% aim, but loosing that to the rammer may result in no net benefit.  Therefore, I would drop the Binocs.  I don't use them and I've been fine w/out.

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View PostNukeRat, on Sep 03 2013 - 17:20, said:

Right now I have the Binocs, The "10% aim" one (forget the name) and the Camo.  Which should I drop for the rammer do ya think?

Drop/dismount the Gun Laying Drive.  When putting equipment on a tank, anything that can take a rammer, should have one mounted.

As far as the type of canon you should mount, that rather depends on your playstyle.  The 76 MM is great and is what I prefer since it has good pen, good accuracy and a good rate of fire, but the damage can be lacking.  The 105 is an effective choice with HE rounds or HEAT, but is somewhat more situational (my opinion), you can obliterate tanks at your tier or lower with a single HE round, but tier 5, and especially tier 6 tanks will tend to shrug off the impacts.  My advice is to give them both a shot for several games and see which one suits you better.

NukeRat #13 Posted Sep 03 2013 - 17:29

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Just awesome advice all around.  I really appreciate all the feedback my friends.  As for what to drop, right now I think the aim is 1.7 sec and reload is a bit longer.  Extra aim speed can help when moving the gun around but if in the same place hitting the same target then it is not needed as the reload will take longer then the aim anyway.  I will probably dismount it.  

Unless someone convinces me otherwise.  Rammer has been engaged.  Thank you all again.

M477145_N1l550n #14 Posted Sep 03 2013 - 18:50

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There's only one correct answer: 76mm M1A1. It's also the optimal weapon on the M4 Sherman.

zixaq #15 Posted Sep 03 2013 - 18:56

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Both guns are hilariously effective. Switch back and forth depending on mood for more lulz.

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View PostNukeRat, on Sep 03 2013 - 17:15, said:

So 76 with AP then?
Yes the 76 mm AT Gun M1A1, except carry at least enough ACPR to knock out two tier 6 tanks heavies solo at a distance.
Enjoy the T40 while you can. It's a very enjoyable tank destroyer to play presently.
FYI:  Rammer, Camo Net, Binoculars as external modules have worked out fine in my experience with the T40.  It was good enough module setup combination for a top 50 score in the recent TD contest.  Knocking out tier sixes is what the T40 can do quite well.  After all the T40's version of M1A1 gun is superior to the M4 Sherman's version of the same gun!
Edit: The 57 mm Gun M1 it is a fine gun, if you have credits to shoot more ACPR on average than the 76 mm AT Gun M1A1.  Question of what do you value: AP penetration, or ACPR penetration? Lower Ammunition cost in credits, or a somewhat higher Damage per Minute? Peek-a-boo ability, or more exposure to enemy fire to access the 57mm extra D.P.M.?

Tymbrwolf #17 Posted Sep 03 2013 - 19:57

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76mm M1A1

NukeRat #18 Posted Sep 03 2013 - 22:48

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So I thought I would report back. I am finding the 76 MM to be very good so far. It does take more shots but it is much faster. I still need to learn the maps and the better places to put myself for engagements. Here is the result of my last battle. I was able to achieve a couple top guns today with the 76 and have had a couple good games thanks to good teammates. I thought I would share my last game that I had. I received a new medal that I had yet to achieve. Langlands I think is what it is. Was a good game for me.
Anyway, thank you all again for the great feedback. I much appreciate it my friends.
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Valan #19 Posted Sep 04 2013 - 23:21

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Glad to hear your having a good time with the 76mm on the T40.  
Prokhorovka 'Encounter' a dream map for knowledgeable T40 drivers.  Redshire 'Encounter' is another map which in the same neighborhood of dreaminess for T40 drivers using the 76mm gun.   Why? Heights, multiple areas of bush cover, hull-down spots, and fair distance from flag equals a relatively comfortable defense for T40 drivers.  Only real danger on those two maps in particular is artillery, other T40's, and suicidal fast scouts revealing your present location.
Quite possible to deal 2k+ damage dealt on those two particular Encounter maps in a T40 (or SU-85B), whereas Fjords 'Standard' map is quite annoying for T40 & SU-85B drivers because of how the terrain is set-up overall.

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Thanks for the info on the 76mm, I'll try it.  I thought the 105mm derp was the one to have, hands down.