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Silentstalker2 #31481 Posted Dec 25 2013 - 18:09

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View PostMini_Bolo, on Dec 25 2013 - 18:05, said:

 

When you said "tree can be taken as some sort of "average" reference", I thought you meant a tree on the ground to fly into to test how durable the planes were. 

 

No, I meant a tree I could base a review on without being accused of picking up the most overpowered or the shittiest tree out there.



bmac_bull #31482 Posted Dec 25 2013 - 18:14

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So if tonks is anything to go by, stay away from the RU line? :trollface:

SpectreHD #31483 Posted Dec 25 2013 - 18:16

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View PostRiceygringo, on Dec 25 2013 - 10:37, said:

 

6500G -> 6500/31.82 =  204.27 gold/dollar

E-25 bundle = (4690 + 150)/22.76 = 212.65 gold/dollar


I was actually taking the 6500g and then removing the 4690 from that and dividing by the 204 gpd, and came up with $22.95. So it's pretty close but the bundle seems like an alright purchase.

 

 

The 10000 Gold and 10000000 credits bundle seems like a good deal. Using the ingame conversion, the 10 mill creds is equivalent to 25000 Gold which is what the bundle roughly costs with an added 10000 Gold on top. For me, the value is $1 AUD = 315.7 Gold.



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With regards to WoWP, I highly recommend the tier 4 XF4F-3 premium. It's built like a friggin' tank, and has enough speed, agility, and firepower to get the job done. Just don't get into any turnfites, it cannot reliably out-turn same-tier fighters.

 

For reference, the XF4F-3 has 225 hit points, that's about twice the HP that the Japanese and Soviet tier 4s have, 75 more than the Bf 109B, 50 more than the P-36, and 25 more than the Buffalo. This thing is nearly as tough as the Bf 110B or the Blenheim, and it's a much smaller target. It's also well armored enough that rifle-caliber rounds don't really bother it except in very large concentrations.


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" - Q: “Why does IS have -6 depression and KV-1S -8 depression for 122mm gun, when both turrets are practically identical?” A: “How terrible, we should change it to -3 for both”".

 

I dare you Serb, I double dare you.

 

Also it interesting that US always been jack of all trade



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View PostSpectreHD, on Dec 25 2013 - 03:05, said:

 

Did you break a leg or something. Oh wait, that's your hubby.

Spoiler

 

 

"Did you hear, comrade Stalin broke an arm!"
"Whose arm?"



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Not the best battle carrier, but definitely a gem.



Apple_Jack #31488 Posted Dec 25 2013 - 19:29

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Warthunder has been ramping up the presses for the Open Beta Test, and released a two-part summary of the damage model. I've linked them below for discussion.

http://warthunder.com/en/news/384-Developers-Diaries-Ground-Forces-Damage-Model-Part-1-en

http://warthunder.com/en/news/387-Developers-Diaries-Ground-Forces-Damage-Model-Part-2-en

 

The rough translation job doesn't help, but it seems like the AP mechanic is the same for WoT and WT, but WT has spalling, so a shell that doesn't hit a crew member could still kill or wound. I think there's also talk that shells striking the same armor group will weaken it, increasing the chance that a follow up shell will penetrate.

 

I could use some confirmation on some features. For example, HEAT shells in WT only have a damage cone going 2-4 feet inside the vehicle after penetration. Is this historically accurate?



ApplesauceBandit #31489 Posted Dec 25 2013 - 19:33

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Alright, I just had some retard in a Hellcat TK me from 600 HP to 0, but I didn't even get a single credit for compensation. wut.

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View PostApple_Jack, on Dec 25 2013 - 13:29, said:

Warthunder has been ramping up the presses for the Open Beta Test, and released a two-part summary of the damage model. I've linked them below for discussion.

http://warthunder.com/en/news/384-Developers-Diaries-Ground-Forces-Damage-Model-Part-1-en

http://warthunder.com/en/news/387-Developers-Diaries-Ground-Forces-Damage-Model-Part-2-en

 

The rough translation job doesn't help, but it seems like the AP mechanic is the same for WoT and WT, but WT has spalling, so a shell that doesn't hit a crew member could still kill or wound. I think there's also talk that shells striking the same armor group will weaken it, increasing the chance that a follow up shell will penetrate.

 

I could use some confirmation on some features. For example, HEAT shells in WT only have a damage cone going 2-4 feet inside the vehicle after penetration. Is this historically accurate?

 

Definitely a very ambitious damage model. They're including armour quality as well. I wonder how the wehraboos will cry when their precious Ahnenerbe King Tiger has plywood for armour.

 

In other news, my Santa is more hardcore than your Santa.

 

 



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View PostApplesauceBandit, on Dec 26 2013 - 02:33, said:

Alright, I just had some retard in a Hellcat TK me from 600 HP to 0, but I didn't even get a single credit for compensation. wut.

 

Well, compensation amount depends greatly on how well whoever that shot you with does in that match. If he does poorly, he has very little to compensate you with. Furthermore, the system itself gives very little to prevent players for exploiting the system by purposely jumping in front of teammates to get shot.

 

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View PostApple_Jack, on Dec 25 2013 - 13:29, said:

Warthunder has been ramping up the presses for the Open Beta Test, and released a two-part summary of the damage model. I've linked them below for discussion.

http://warthunder.com/en/news/384-Developers-Diaries-Ground-Forces-Damage-Model-Part-1-en

http://warthunder.com/en/news/387-Developers-Diaries-Ground-Forces-Damage-Model-Part-2-en

 

The rough translation job doesn't help, but it seems like the AP mechanic is the same for WoT and WT, but WT has spalling, so a shell that doesn't hit a crew member could still kill or wound. I think there's also talk that shells striking the same armor group will weaken it, increasing the chance that a follow up shell will penetrate.

 

I could use some confirmation on some features. For example, HEAT shells in WT only have a damage cone going 2-4 feet inside the vehicle after penetration. Is this historically accurate?

 

Definitely a very ambitious damage model. They're including armour quality as well. I wonder how the wehraboos will cry when their precious Ahnenerbe King Tiger has plywood for armour.

 

Didn't Jentz or Doyle or whoever it is stated that the armour quality even for later war German vehicles never deteriorated? I think if was a question and answer that was posted on FTR. Doesn't matter anyways. US tanks still were vastly superiour production wise. You can cut up two halves from two different Shermans and put them together and the turret ring would fit perfectly.


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View PostSpectreHD, on Dec 25 2013 - 12:43, said:

 

Well, compensation amount depends greatly on how well whoever that shot you with does in that match. If he does poorly, he has very little to compensate you with. Furthermore, the system itself gives very little to prevent players for exploiting the system by purposely jumping in front of teammates to get shot.

He might not have done any damage in that battle besides that done to me, but really, no compensation?  For three shots all in a row too :sceptic:



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View PostApplesauceBandit, on Dec 26 2013 - 02:49, said:

He might not have done any damage in that battle besides that done to me, but really, no compensation?  For three shots all in a row too :sceptic:

 

Pretty much. WG really doesn't want anybody abusing the compensation system. People do get harshly punished credit wise for TKing but the compensation would never cover the cost of the TK.



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View PostSpectreHD, on Dec 25 2013 - 19:43, said:

 

Well, compensation amount depends greatly on how well whoever that shot you with does in that match. If he does poorly, he has very little to compensate you with. Furthermore, the system itself gives very little to prevent players for exploiting the system by purposely jumping in front of teammates to get shot.

 

 

Definitely a very ambitious damage model. They're including armour quality as well. I wonder how the wehraboos will cry when their precious Ahnenerbe King Tiger has plywood for armour.

 

Didn't Jentz or Doyle or whoever it is stated that the armour quality even for later war German vehicles never deteriorated? I think if was a question and answer that was posted on FTR. Doesn't matter anyways. US tanks still were vastly superiour production wise. You can cut up two halves from two different Shermans and put them together and the turret ring would fit perfectly.

 

I am actually not sure. Pejčoch (Czech historian, his work is mostly based on BMM/ČKD archives) states that due to the late war lack of tempering materials such as zinc, the armor plates actually were of various quality. In case of the Hetzer, the (rare) quality armor plate was used for upper front armor, with the worse quality armor being used for the superstructure side.



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I had a look at the War Thunder system and it looks ambitious. It will however lead to many more cases of "why the fuck did that happen" than WoT has.

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View PostSpectreHD, on Dec 25 2013 - 13:43, said:

 

Well, compensation amount depends greatly on how well whoever that shot you with does in that match. If he does poorly, he has very little to compensate you with. Furthermore, the system itself gives very little to prevent players for exploiting the system by purposely jumping in front of teammates to get shot.

 

 

Definitely a very ambitious damage model. They're including armour quality as well. I wonder how the wehraboos will cry when their precious Ahnenerbe King Tiger has plywood for armour.

 

Didn't Jentz or Doyle or whoever it is stated that the armour quality even for later war German vehicles never deteriorated? I think if was a question and answer that was posted on FTR. Doesn't matter anyways. US tanks still were vastly superiour production wise. You can cut up two halves from two different Shermans and put them together and the turret ring would fit perfectly.

 

When did he state that? You can see the horribly brittle late war German armour in a number of photographs and trials. Surely he did not imply that German armour was always like this.



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View PostSilentstalker2, on Dec 26 2013 - 02:52, said:

 

I am actually not sure. Pejčoch (Czech historian, his work is mostly based on BMM/ČKD archives) states that due to the late war lack of tempering materials such as zinc, the armor plates actually were of various quality. In case of the Hetzer, the (rare) quality armor plate was used for upper front armor, with the worse quality armor being used for the superstructure side.

 

That makes sense. Although it also makes sense that German tanks would have subpar armour quality during the later war period. But then we have Jentz or Doyle stating that the quality never dropped.



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Merry christmas all, I hope you had a comfortable day

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View PostSpectreHD, on Dec 25 2013 - 13:54, said:

 

That makes sense. Although it also makes sense that German tanks would have subpar armour quality during the later war period. But then we have Jentz or Doyle stating that the quality never dropped.

 

Maybe you should be sure about who said a thing before you repeat said thing.



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View PostSpectreHD, on Dec 25 2013 - 18:43, said:

Didn't Jentz or Doyle or whoever it is stated that the armour quality even for later war German vehicles never deteriorated? I think if was a question and answer that was posted on FTR. Doesn't matter anyways. US tanks still were vastly superiour production wise. You can cut up two halves from two different Shermans and put them together and the turret ring would fit perfectly.

 

IIRC in OTT doyle said that according to the german quality control guys the armour made at the end of the war was passing the same tests it passed at the start of the war. Which means the germans don't have any excuse for the king tigger getting spalled frontally by 122mm HE :trollface:

 

View PostRiceygringo, on Dec 25 2013 - 16:22, said:

I just saw a HE firing Roomba deal 3500 damage. 16 shots fired, 13 hits with the 150mm.

 

My life is complete.

 

 

We finally found him guys, #BEST_PLAYER_NA

 

View PostMow_Mow, on Dec 25 2013 - 02:45, said:

Unless there's a different phrase to differentiate between "American English" and "British English" that I'm not aware of.

 

Proper english and wrong english*

*proper english being defined as queens english, ofc

 

View PostDekklinOfDeath, on Dec 25 2013 - 04:01, said:

Would anyone be interested in watching me stream a lets play of The Walking Dead (season 1)? I'm just asking to see if there's interest for a future scheduling.

 

If I'm awake, yes

 

View PostTupinambis, on Dec 25 2013 - 02:25, said:

I cannot possibly think of what kind of premium vehicle could possibly cause riots, so I'm.... rather worried right now.

 

Imagine the outcry if a chinese, german or russian premium TD was released before US premium TD






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