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The logical argument to whining about the KV-1S being OP

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Hanger_18 #21 Posted Sep 24 2013 - 03:00

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Everyone keeps saying we should get rid of the 122 and get the 100mm,i thought about it and it would balance the guns (very well balanced) but the tank itself would be underpowered,low HP pool+paper thin armor+mediocer gun= :ohmy:

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SkaarjMaster #22 Posted Sep 25 2013 - 00:45

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Quit messing with the tanks already! :sad:

Omega7142 #23 Posted Sep 28 2013 - 13:27

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Whether the KV-1S is overpowered is interesting because with teamwork and coordination in TC and CW then I would have to say yes since it's weaknesses are so easily covered.  In PUB matches?  Not so much.  The KV-1S is so well known and so predictable at this point I actively hunt them since it removes a big gun from the enemy team and they are easy kills.  One of my most humiliating victories was using my T34 (the soviet medium T34) to bounce a shot then proceed to just unload on his ammo rack until it blew.  With my 2 second RoF he never had a chance with his paper thing armor.  That is really the crus of the KV-1S is that if you rush it then it will get off 1 shot and many tanks it faces can kill it before it will reload for a second shot.

SgtSmokeYoAss #24 Posted Sep 30 2013 - 03:07

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I agree. The KV-2 exhibits this as well with its atrocious reload time (though granted, I can envision a pair of loaders trying to muscle that big assed shell into the breech would take some time). In close quarters, you had better not miss. If you do you might as well hit ESC right then and there.

I haven't been playing my 1S since discovering just how good the T-150 is with the 107mm ZiS-6. However if the 122mm got nerfed in alpha and gained ROF I'd be okay with that, or even better replaced with the ZiS-6. That gun is freaking insane.

Omega7142 #25 Posted Sep 30 2013 - 13:01

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Ya, I would honestly say as a PUB tank the T-150 is far superior, at range it is very difficult to pen from most tanks of the same tier and the gun is just so reliable and consistently good in all situations.  The speed is kinda bad but compared to some tanks like the post-nerf VK3601H is still good.

slap26 #26 Posted Sep 30 2013 - 16:07

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View PostPeanutFly, on Sep 11 2013 - 03:49, said:

being an alpha damage-based tank, it's used in Medium TCs by even unicums,
Its used in Medium TC's moreso because of the its speed and ability to flex the alpha is just the icing on the cake imo.

FlorbFnarb #27 Posted Oct 02 2013 - 01:08

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View Postmongoosejake, on Sep 11 2013 - 04:04, said:

Just as an observation... Most players that defend the KV-1S just so happen to use it primarily.Just as an example: You are defending the KV-1S and as a player you've played Soviet tanks 92% of your battles, with that majority of that 92% being in heavies (41% of all of your battles), with the KV-1S, IS and IS-3 leading the way. Of course you'll defend it, lol. The same arguments were used initially by the users of 105mm howitzers before they got slightly downgraded. Still happened.Use the 122 on the KV-1S while you can, and enjoy it. It will get changed soon.

Or not.

I defend the KV-1S and it's definitely not my most-used tank at all.

weesh #28 Posted Oct 02 2013 - 01:41

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KV-1s has a TC-warping level of power.
Heck, the KV-1s has a tier-warping level of power.  
I have fun when I run mine, but if I run 3+ games in a row, I start to feel guilty about it.  
Now to tackle the "logic"
1) "its not OP, its just a tank that people aren't used to dealing with": If that were true, why does everyone pussy foot around them?  
2) "the tank is a lighter": I rarely catch fire, and have never done so from the front.  Auto fire extinguishers also limit the impact of fire now-a-days
3) "it has limited armor and large silhouette": This tank side-scrapes well, and has a low profile for what it is.  Not sure where that came from.  
4) "less armor than the KV-1": yes, lets compare armor to the best in tier, see that it is less, and call it bad.  
5) "terrible bloom accuracy and aim time, which make it useless at range": so we are just ignoring the fact that it is brutal at midrange?  The accuracy buff helped this tank more than most, and while it is out of place as a sniper, it can make shots now.  
I would be happy to let it keep its gun but for one thing:
This is brutal against beginners.
This game has a very high barrier to entry, and new players have to get through the rough 3rd and 4th tiers before the game opens up.  Clearly, a good player can deal with +2 tiers at this level, but it is not healthy for the game to have this level of power across from newbies in tier 4 tanks.

TheGreatPretender #29 Posted Oct 02 2013 - 13:20

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Honestly, KV-1S is not OP just because he is blind. View range give much more advantage compared to high alfa.
SU85B, Hellcat, they are OP :)

SpeedSteel #30 Posted Oct 02 2013 - 16:53

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I think a lot of it boils down to who is driving the KV-1S.  It can be very dangerous in the hands of a skilled player, but most of the players aren't skilled.  This doesn't mean that people don't exaggerate the dangers of the KV-1S, however.  It is almost like the "Tiger Terror" in WW II.  "Every" tank encountered was a "Tiger".   In this case, a KV-1S is a KV-1S, but it really depends on who is using it and what I have to put up against it.  If you know what your strengths are and what his weaknesses are, you use those to your advantage.  I'm looking forward to getting my KV-1S, but don't fear them if I see them on the battle field.

ComradeHX #31 Posted Oct 02 2013 - 18:56

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View PostSpeedSteel, on Oct 02 2013 - 16:53, said:

I think a lot of it boils down to who is driving the KV-1S.  It can be very dangerous in the hands of a skilled player, but most of the players aren't skilled.  This doesn't mean that people don't exaggerate the dangers of the KV-1S, however.  It is almost like the "Tiger Terror" in WW II.  "Every" tank encountered was a "Tiger".   In this case, a KV-1S is a KV-1S, but it really depends on who is using it and what I have to put up against it.  If you know what your strengths are and what his weaknesses are, you use those to your advantage.  I'm looking forward to getting my KV-1S, but don't fear them if I see them on the battle field.
The point is that even n00bs driving it can deal disproportional amount of damage(in relation to skill) with KV-1S.
Like Foch155; even most retards can sit there and blast off three rounds of HEAT for around 2500 damage average then get tracked and one-shot by artillery.

Edited by ComradeHX, Oct 02 2013 - 18:58.


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The KV-1S is not op.. never was. It has a powerful gun, but has a long reload, long aim time, shit armor and crap view range. An AT-8 or VK3601h can murder a kv-1s no problem. You just have to be intelligent, which is where the whining comes from. If you get hit by it, and immediately back up and hide for a bit while you cry, yes when you peak back out he'll be reloaded and will smack the hell out of you again. A lot of tanks at tier 5 and 6 have the dpm to kill a KV-1S before he can get his second shot off.

Edited by Zdrack, Oct 08 2013 - 00:11.


6_Demon_Bag #33 Posted Oct 08 2013 - 07:03

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Yeah just not seeing the whole 1s is op argument. No I'm not a 1s fan boy as a matter of fact I go out of y way not to drive any dirty cossack armor. Gift tanks and the church not withstanding. But I digress. The 1s is a dangerous opponent with a deadly gun and several expoitable weaknesses. AT8s are mmuch ore op.

SgtSmokeYoAss #34 Posted Oct 21 2013 - 05:25

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View PostComradeHX, on Oct 02 2013 - 18:56, said:

The point is that even n00bs driving it can deal disproportional amount of damage(in relation to skill) with KV-1S.
Like Foch155; even most retards can sit there and blast off three rounds of HEAT for around 2500 damage average then get tracked and one-shot by artillery.
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This isn't a KV-2 we're talking about, which I can one-shot a KV-1S with (and did so just last match). KV-1S has high alpha going for it, THAT'S ALL. The rest of it is mediocre at best.

mortuus82 #35 Posted Oct 21 2013 - 16:11

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to me a 122mm gun on a tier 6 tank is OP nothing else compared to other nations tank guns on same class.

mongoosejake #36 Posted Oct 22 2013 - 05:05

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View PostFlorbFnarb, on Oct 02 2013 - 01:08, said:

Or not.

I defend the KV-1S and it's definitely not my most-used tank at all.

In my statement, I said that I noticed "most" players defending it had it as one of their most played... I didn't say "all", meaning that there will be exceptions to the rule.

I personally have one, and it's actually one of my least played, but I'm also not a defender of it. With the 122 mounted its easy to wreck havok on enemies in public battles. To me, it's a KV-2 with less raw damage but trades that for good speed and maneuverability.

hail2skins #37 Posted Oct 22 2013 - 17:38

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Having read the developer information on the changes coming to this tank, it has nothing to do with players complaining about it.   In fact, the developers of this game would tend to see player complaints about something as something they are doing correctly.   The proposed changes are because within a statistical analysis of the tank by the makers of the game, it is more powerful than other tanks at tier taking all stats into evidence.   Bear in mind, they don't care about the Top 10 percent of stats (according to them).    They don't care about the bottom 10 percent of stats (also according to them).  

They look at 80 percent.

I agree the KV-1s is not overpowered.   I can take one down in any of my Tier 5 heavy tanks if I am just a hair careful.    But, because it is fast and hits so hard, and so many people play it, the 80 percent averages are better for it than for other tanks.   Thus proposed changes.    The tank, apparently, will keep the gun, but lose some speed at Tier 6 and a new tank will replace it at Tier 5 with the speed but without the gun.   I don't think it's necessary either.

This tank in a platoon with another tank with a high fire rate to keep it from getting rushed during reload does make it very, very difficult to handle, but, solo pubbing it is just not a terribly strong tank because of the flaws and reliability of competent support.

Nikolai_Mikoyan #38 Posted Oct 29 2013 - 05:04

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Many whiners who said the KV-1S is OP weren't there behind the optic of the KV-1S but instead ended up in its sights.

It's been like this in SEA server too. My answer to them? "You just don't know how to deal with it, period"

natethegr8 #39 Posted Nov 25 2013 - 16:30

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I recently got the kv-1s and if I gets nerfed ill be upset because if people were smart they would know that if the thing shoots it has a long reload so pump some shots off in its weak armour in the right places and u will win to bad everyone thinks its op and it is getting nerfed

Possums #40 Posted Dec 30 2013 - 23:17

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@PeanutFly it just happens that your #5 most played tank is you kv-1s! I wonder why....... LOL





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