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Nehet #1 Posted Sep 18 2013 - 15:51

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HI WOT
Where is the 88mm/L56 for the Panther 1...why the hell was this gun removed?
Not only did you remove  the top engine you also removed the 88mm/L56. There was nothing in the patch notes about removing the 88mm/L56 from the Panther 1...
A measly 30hp boost to the 75mm/L100 doesnt cut it versus the 220hp on the the 88mm/L56 and in this game alpha is everything!!
Give the 88mm/L56 back to the Panther 1..

Edited by Nehet, Sep 18 2013 - 15:54.


Erichkruger #2 Posted Sep 18 2013 - 15:52

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people used the L56 on the panther?

lightball20 #3 Posted Sep 18 2013 - 15:53

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View PostNehet, on Sep 18 2013 - 15:51, said:

HI WOT
Where is the 88mm/L56 for the Panther 1...why the hell was this gun removed?
Not only did you remove  the top engine you also removed the 88mm/L56. There was nothing in the patch notes about removing the 88mm/L56 from the Panther 1...
Give the 88mm/L56 back to the Panther 1..
It wasn't announced but it also wasn't a silent nerf. It was a known change and I have no clue why anyone would want to use 132 pen on a tank that has a 195 pen gun.
Oh also historical accuracy. Panther 1 never loaded the 8.8L56 so they removed it since it was unneeded anyway.

View PostErichkruger, on Sep 18 2013 - 15:52, said:

people used the L56 on the panther?
Did you not know? There are people who don't understand that you need to pen to deal damage and no matter how much damage you have if you aren't able to pen its meaningless.

Edited by lightball20, Sep 18 2013 - 15:57.


Nehet #4 Posted Sep 18 2013 - 15:56

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View Postlightball20, on Sep 18 2013 - 15:53, said:

It wasn't announced but it also wasn't a silent nerf. It was a known change and I have no clue why anyone would want to use 132 pen on a tank that has a 195 pen gun.

Oh also historical accuracy. Panther 1 never loaded the 8.8L56 so they removed it since it was unneeded anyway.


the gun is excellent in terms of alpha and pen when used properly...it kills tanks. This is a nerf and totally forces the panther into 1 play style only. From Tier 1-7 the 88/56 can hold its own

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it's german get used to it

SULOMON #6 Posted Sep 18 2013 - 15:57

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"Alpha is everything."
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AufklarungsPanzer #7 Posted Sep 18 2013 - 15:58

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8.8 mm=Tiger
7.5 mm=Panther

If anything,They should've also removed the 10.5.

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View PostSULOMON, on Sep 18 2013 - 15:57, said:

"Alpha is everything."
:facepalm:

...he made my bat-chat cry  :sad:

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View PostNehet, on Sep 18 2013 - 15:56, said:

the gun is excellent in terms of alpha and pen when used properly...it kills tanks. This is a nerf and totally forces the panther into 1 play style only. From Tier 1-7 the 88/56 can hold its own

yeah guys a tier 7 tank using a gimped gun when it has a far better one is legit! Oh wait no it's not. This isn't like like preference of 90mm vs 105 on the t29 you are legitimately making your tank useless by choice.

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Try to think of it as a buff. It stops you researching and using a far inferior gun.

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View PostNehet, on Sep 18 2013 - 15:56, said:

the gun is excellent in terms of alpha and pen when used properly...it kills tanks. This is a nerf and totally forces the panther into 1 play style only. From Tier 1-7 the 88/56 can hold its own
Ok so from tier 1 to 7 but what about Tier 8 and 9 that the Panther also sees? Or do you just run and hide in those tiers because 132 pen starts to show its weakness in those tiers?

And the 7.5L100 is better since you will pen more often and will be able to fire more often since you will have more shots at armor you can pen while the 56 will be unable to fire some times because you are unable to pen that armor. And a single bounce on 56 costs you more than a bounce or miss on 100

View PostAufklarungsPanzer, on Sep 18 2013 - 15:58, said:

8.8 mm=Tiger
7.5 mm=Panther

If anything,They should've also removed the 10.5.
Wrong 8.8 He is talking about the 132 pen 220 damage bad 8.8 not the 203 pen 240 damage good 8.8

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... why are you on the Panther line if you want alpha? The M48A1 isn't on that line... or T-62A... they're both worlds better if you want alpha uber alles.

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View Postlightball20, on Sep 18 2013 - 16:01, said:

Wrong 8.8 He is talking about the 132 pen 220 damage bad 8.8 not the 203 pen 240 damage good 8.8
Meant to say that the assigned guns for Tigers is 8.8 guns while panthers get the 7.5 guns.

Also,7.5 L/100 gun on Panther has a higher shell velocity in comparison of the 8.8 of Tigers.

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...DPM > Alpha ;)

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View Postlightball20, on Sep 18 2013 - 15:53, said:

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Oh also historical accuracy. Panther 1 never loaded the 8.8L56 so they removed it since it was unneeded anyway.
Im not sure if the OP is about the new Panther Proto, or the current tier 7 Panther....
But... If it IS about the Tier 7 Panther, then you are very wrong here. Since the 88 L56 gun was one of the main reasons behind the development of the Schmalturn Turret, to have a turret that could accept the L56 gun.

Edited by Oberst1, Sep 18 2013 - 16:10.


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View Postlightball20, on Sep 18 2013 - 15:53, said:

It wasn't announced but it also wasn't a silent nerf. It was a known change and I have no clue why anyone would want to use 132 pen on a tank that has a 195 pen gun.
Oh also historical accuracy. Panther 1 never loaded the 8.8L56 so they removed it since it was unneeded anyway.

Did you not know? There are people who don't understand that you need to pen to deal damage and no matter how much damage you have if you aren't able to pen its meaningless.

there are tons of tanks here that have guns they never had...ummm tiger 1 with 88/71...jagdpanther with 105/52..shall i go on??

Nehet #17 Posted Sep 18 2013 - 16:12

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View Postlightball20, on Sep 18 2013 - 16:01, said:

Ok so from tier 1 to 7 but what about Tier 8 and 9 that the Panther also sees? Or do you just run and hide in those tiers because 132 pen starts to show its weakness in those tiers?
And the 7.5L100 is better since you will pen more often and will be able to fire more often since you will have more shots at armor you can pen while the 56 will be unable to fire some times because you are unable to pen that armor. And a single bounce on 56 costs you more than a bounce or miss on 100
Wrong 8.8 He is talking about the 132 pen 220 damage bad 8.8 not the 203 pen 240 damage good 8.8
wrong...I have a 59% win rate in my Panther 1 and never ever even needed to use the 75mm/L100...It is my most favorite tank and I never ever had a problem using the 88/56 in tier9 battles since tier 8 battles are never even a issue when it came to the 88/56..hide in a Panther...why would I do that ?? The gun works fine. I carry 12 apcr shells to deal with bigger tanks at tier 9-10..granted have to flank but then again u dont need apcr to pen the flank armor of a tier 9
I dont disagree it pens better but a 169 alpha is just to low because I always play the Panther as a flanker and it works great....

Edited by Nehet, Sep 18 2013 - 16:15.


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View PostNehet, on Sep 18 2013 - 16:12, said:

I dont disagree it pens better but a 169 alpha is just to low because I always play the Panther as a flanker and it works great....
Use the VK 30.2 D then.

Nehet #19 Posted Sep 18 2013 - 16:18

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View PostOberst1, on Sep 18 2013 - 16:07, said:

Im not sure if the OP is about the new Panther Proto, or the current tier 7 Panther....
But... If it IS about the Tier 7 Panther, then you are very wrong here. Since the 88 L56 gun was one of the main reasons behind the development of the Schmalturn Turret, to have a turret that could accept the L56 gun.

thank you for clearing that up...The 88/56 was meant to be put on the Panther with the scmhall turm...so historical accuracy aside..WOT screwed up here

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View PostAufklarungsPanzer, on Sep 18 2013 - 16:15, said:

Use the VK 30.2 D then.

why would I use a inferior tank that is inferior to the Panther 1 in every way...and yes I have played it....