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polarticus #21 Posted Sep 22 2013 - 09:46

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View PostHB_Landric, on Sep 21 2013 - 20:58, said:

That is pretty much par for the course in all the higher tier Chinese tanks I have played.  Crew skills, equipment, and consumables help a lot with those issues.

I play a lot of German vehicles and have a WZ132. I have never experienced this frequency of rack & flame ever.

ninthstreet #22 Posted Sep 22 2013 - 19:53

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I tested it extensively on the test server and its a subpar tank compared to the is6. Is6 apcr round allows you to shoot tanks in the side while the heat will fail to pen. Is6 has only one weakpoint, the drivers hatch, which is easily hidden by sidescraping. 112 has that lfp which is easily penned and usually starts a fire. Also it has the top hatches on the turret which make facehugging useless. I fought a simp platoon on tundra last night and had no problem taking out their 112s with my is6. Is6 has overall better armor due to fewer weakspots with a superior gold round. Is6 is still the king of premium 8s in my opinion.

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Just bounced off of the top tortoise MG turret, I am absolutely done with these premiums. They are garbage.

ComradeHX #24 Posted Sep 23 2013 - 19:07

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People whine about similar things about Kv-5.

Kv-5 worked just fine...112 is acceptable.

Fulcrous_really_heckin #25 Posted Sep 23 2013 - 20:54

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View PostShades998, on Sep 19 2013 - 22:08, said:

I have also watched the video review of this tank on Quickybabytv, and his review was kind of misleading.

I recall him saying it was like the IS-6, superior UFH, same dirt poor LFH weakspot and stronger turret, but bigger weakspots.

How is that misleading?

Revanant #26 Posted Sep 23 2013 - 22:50

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I've been playing the shit out of this tank, and let me tell you it's an absolute beast very similar to the KV-5 IMHO in it's style.  If you know what your doing and how to actually angle the tank, this this is a beast side scraper or what ever the kids are calling it these days and can absolutely bully the shit out of T8's and below.   It's excellent speed, especially if you can get a running start with it lets you really get to place  that you an set up and rape at that none of the prem heavy could really go to (Excluding the FCM which could make it there but then get blown to shit with no armor).  Granted now I have been grinding up to the 113 so I have 3 crew skills on my crew already but this thing can brawl like no ones business if you know how to angle, I've traded shots with IS-3's that just could not pen me while I collected 400+ dmg shots from them.   Also the 112 has almost no "extra weakspots" on the front so if you can hide your LFP its just a beast....

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I recall him saying it was like the IS-6, superior UFH, same dirt poor LFH weakspot and stronger turret, but bigger weakspots.
How is that misleading?

Let me explain myself since you want to take things out of context. This tank, in my opinion, is NOT like the Is-6 in any way shape or form. This Is-6 is played quite differently, it has 100mm of angled side armor and allows you to brawl with a different play style then the 112. The is-6 has a better gun, it loads faster and the bloom depresses much quicker when moving and turning even though on paper they are the same.

The Is-6 is an assault tank, it's meant to get up close and brawl.

From what I have experienced the 112 has a defensive style, you hull down at moderate range when terrain permits, cover up your LFP and snipe people with 112s terrible gun.

That's another thing about this tank I don't get, why give it such a bad gun, when the Chinese tree is all about really bad gun depression but awesome guns to compensate. Give me the 110 top gun any day over what we get on the 112.

As far as premiums go, a lot of people have asked me in game what I think about this tank and I don't recommend it to them unless they are familiar with the Chinese heavy line already. I recommend them getting and Is-6 if they are a novice and just want to run up and shoot things. It's a much more forgiving tank and generally has small weaknesses.

Heat ammo isn't all that great btw, don't shoot people in the sides with it. Tracks will most likely absorb all your damage. That's why the APCR on the Is-6 is actually as good if not superior to heat on the 112.

Not hating on the tank, it's a niche vehicle and not everyone is going to like it. The video on quickybabytv made it sound like it was better then the Is-6, when it really isn't. That's why I said it was misleading.

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View PostIronSoldier, on Sep 20 2013 - 17:52, said:

My only real issue is the fuel tanks are well... impossible to miss. Nearly every single penetrating shot will destroy the fuel tank. The amount of engine fires I've had in this tank in my few short 10~ or so battles is crazy (I think I had 3 matches in a row already with a fire, my friend using the same tank had 2 fires in one match).

I realize this is a small sample size, but my god, I  can remember going 100 matches with other tanks that had a 12% fire chance and not catching on fire once!

Other than that I'm fairly happy with the armor/speed/gun, the longer reload sucks a bit, but it's workable.

The only tank I have with CO2 module. After 3 games I put it on, and man I noticed the change immediately.

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it's a very good tank to help you prepare for Chinese heavy line from T8 and up since they share the similar frontal armor structure. However, non-prem Chinese heavies starting from 110 got superior fire control compare to its russian counterparts

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View PostShades998, on Sep 23 2013 - 23:48, said:

Let me explain myself since you want to take things out of context. This tank, in my opinion, is NOT like the Is-6 in any way shape or form. This Is-6 is played quite differently, it has 100mm of angled side armor and allows you to brawl with a different play style then the 112. The is-6 has a better gun, it loads faster and the bloom depresses much quicker when moving and turning even though on paper they are the same.

The Is-6 is an assault tank, it's meant to get up close and brawl.

From what I have experienced the 112 has a defensive style, you hull down at moderate range when terrain permits, cover up your LFP and snipe people with 112s terrible gun.

That's another thing about this tank I don't get, why give it such a bad gun, when the Chinese tree is all about really bad gun depression but awesome guns to compensate. Give me the 110 top gun any day over what we get on the 112.

As far as premiums go, a lot of people have asked me in game what I think about this tank and I don't recommend it to them unless they are familiar with the Chinese heavy line already. I recommend them getting and Is-6 if they are a novice and just want to run up and shoot things. It's a much more forgiving tank and generally has small weaknesses.

Heat ammo isn't all that great btw, don't shoot people in the sides with it. Tracks will most likely absorb all your damage. That's why the APCR on the Is-6 is actually as good if not superior to heat on the 112.

Not hating on the tank, it's a niche vehicle and not everyone is going to like it. The video on quickybabytv made it sound like it was better then the Is-6, when it really isn't. That's why I said it was misleading.

IS-6 is absolutely a worse side scraper than the 112, it's turret is farther back and it's angled shoulder arm is basically flat towards the enemy while side scraping a building.  112 vs IS-6 both side scraping the 112 doesn't even need gold to pen the UFP of the IS-6 while with gold the IS-6 will have serious issues penning a 112 in the correct position anywhere but the commanders hatches.    I've done this to IS-6's multiple times while they yell "Great gold round bro" then try to imitate what im doing and present a totally flat UFP shoulder for me to pen.

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View PostRevanant, on Sep 25 2013 - 19:41, said:

IS-6 is absolutely a worse side scraper than the 112, it's turret is farther back and it's angled shoulder arm is basically flat towards the enemy while side scraping a building.  112 vs IS-6 both side scraping the 112 doesn't even need gold to pen the UFP of the IS-6 while with gold the IS-6 will have serious issues penning a 112 in the correct position anywhere but the commanders hatches. I've done this to IS-6's multiple times while they yell "Great gold round bro" then try to imitate what im doing and present a totally flat UFP shoulder for me to pen.
Would you be willing to teach me the 112 side scraping technique? no matter how much i have played I still do much better in my is6 than my 112

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View PostShades998, on Sep 19 2013 - 22:08, said:

I have also watched the video review of this tank on Quickybabytv, and his review was kind of misleading.

Maybe its because you have 1010 Win7 and Quickybaby has over 2000 Win7? I think you should give the tank more time. I watch QB and other top tier twitch players play all the time when I'm sitting at work and they totally own with this tank. Just play to the strenghts of the tank and you should be happy with it. Don't snipe, use speed to get to better spots on the map and angle front armor.

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View Poststinka55, on Sep 26 2013 - 15:00, said:

Would you be willing to teach me the 112 side scraping technique? no matter how much i have played I still do much better in my is6 than my 112

Essentially the trick of it maintaining the correct angle.
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Your side armor is angled and spaced so as far and shooting the side of the tank the IS-6 and 112 are roughly similar ( the IS-6 has more side armor but less spaced armor) the real difference is that in that position with the IS-6 you right front shoulder armor is basically flat toward the enemy tank especially at close range.  The front armor of the 112 has no "pseudo-pike" to worry about and a much great angle than the IS-6 so your LFP is hidden your UFP is 120mm @ 68degrees and your side is 60/80 (i forget) at 70+ degrees with a large amount of spaced armor (essentially auto bounce) literally the only place they will be able to pen you is you commanders hatch on the right side.   Just keep moving alot back and forth and wait till after they fire and bounce to aim them and you will be getting steel walls like crazy.

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I think my angle is too much, i need to lower the angle to about 70 degrees. i am so used to using 60 degree angle with the is6 it becomes second nature and when using the 112 I angle too much.

thanks for you advice

Mabuchi #35 Posted Sep 27 2013 - 19:30

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If you can play the German Heavy line with any degree of success you can do very well with the 112, take out some gun depression, lower your tank, and give it some speed and your German 4502A is now the 112. I play them very similar and have been getting great results from my 112.

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Unlike the 4502A, the 112 has armor once the LFP is hidden.

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View PostRevanant, on Sep 25 2013 - 19:41, said:

IS-6 is absolutely a worse side scraper than the 112, it's turret is farther back and it's angled shoulder arm is basically flat towards the enemy while side scraping a building.  112 vs IS-6 both side scraping the 112 doesn't even need gold to pen the UFP of the IS-6 while with gold the IS-6 will have serious issues penning a 112 in the correct position anywhere but the commanders hatches. I've done this to IS-6's multiple times while they yell "Great gold round bro" then try to imitate what im doing and present a totally flat UFP shoulder for me to pen.

Man, I don't know what tank you got, but I did some side scrapping against the 112. You can pen the side from ridiculous angles, I think in fact that there is almost no angle where the side of an 112 would bounce a shot from 200+ pen guns in a sidescrapping contest.

And those hatches man, those are like the 112 is carrying the little babies of the R2D2 of KV5 on top of its turret, kinda hard to miss from anywhere lower than 300m.

I don't have the tank, but from going against it, I would never spend that amount of money to buy it or that t-34-3, which is another crap.

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View PostComradeHX, on Sep 23 2013 - 19:07, said:

People whine about similar things about Kv-5.

Kv-5 worked just fine...112 is acceptable.
actually i have the KV5 and i can tell you its a INSANE BOSS in malee, if you know how to play in wot and where to aim you are never supos to die in a 1v1 fight in close or medium combat... dont know about the 112 dont have it but im sure it works well just by looking to the stats of it

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View PostKronaan, on Oct 05 2013 - 09:49, said:

Man, I don't know what tank you got, but I did some side scrapping against the 112. You can pen the side from ridiculous angles, I think in fact that there is almost no angle where the side of an 112 would bounce a shot from 200+ pen guns in a sidescrapping contest.

And those hatches man, those are like the 112 is carrying the little babies of the R2D2 of KV5 on top of its turret, kinda hard to miss from anywhere lower than 300m.

I don't have the tank, but from going against it, I would never spend that amount of money to buy it or that t-34-3, which is another crap.

It had the same thickness as an IS-6 with spaced armor, you just have to angle it 70+ and it's auto bounce.  Then they have to hit one of you hatches which is much harder IMHO than just shooting an Is-6 in the shoulder.

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