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Poll: About choosing your targets and planning your attack (472 members have cast votes)

What should Peter do?

  1. Charge headlong at the giant (31 votes [6.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.57%

  2. Sneak around the giant (131 votes [27.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 27.75%

  3. Wait until the giant is busy (249 votes [52.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 52.75%

  4. Find someone more his own size (61 votes [12.92%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.92%

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Lert #1 Posted Oct 06 2013 - 22:22

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Hello, and welcome to yet another guide / PSA, born out of frustration following something that happened in game.

For today's demonstration, we'll have a little thought experiment. Meet Peter:

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Handsome fellow, isn't he.

Peter is healthy, 5'10", handsome, knows how to dress in style, has a good job working 9 to 5 as a manager in a business, and works out a little in the weekends to stay in shape. He has a nice car, nice house, pretty wife, and 2.5 kids.

This is what Peter is armed with:

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A Gladius style shortsword.

It's a quick, nimble weapon, designed for fast thrusts and vicious slashes. Peter is trained in its use, and reasonably proficient with it.

Now, Peter has to get to the other end of, say, a small picturesque village set near a small forest, with a few plains. However, standing in his way, is this 7 foot giant of a guy:

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Wielding this enormous, two-handed, devastating Claymore:

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Oh noes! Whatever shall Peter do!

Way I see it, these are the choices:

1) Charge headlong at the giant and get his head chopped off before he even gets within stabbing range,
2) Sneak around the giant and attack unexpectedly from behind,
3) Wait until the giant is distracted with someone else, then rush in for the kill,
4) Go somewhere else and find someone more his own size to fight.

Think about these choices for a moment, then pick yours.

Ready?

Ok.

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Ok, so ...

If you look like this (or similar):

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(Handsome fellow, isn't he?)

And you have to get past this (or similar):

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... Please don't just up and charge straight into his face. Use some brain and flank. If there's no flanking opportunity, wait until he's distracted. Or go find something else to do that doesn't include the phrase 'sit there and take it up the rear end.' See that big pipe sticking out the front? Yeah? Bad things come out of there. If his pipe thingy is bigger than yours, it might be wise not to sit where that pipe thingy is pointing.

Thank you for reading.

BULBA_Reject_BlueMini #2 Posted Oct 06 2013 - 22:25

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saber1179 #3 Posted Oct 06 2013 - 22:27

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so many baddies will never see this post and it makes me sad

icoleman #4 Posted Oct 06 2013 - 22:32

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Well, considering a gladius Centurion Sword is extremely light, and the claymore is a heavy bastard sword...option 1 is also valid. One miss with the claymore (and since of the slow speed, you can easily dodge if the wielder is 7 feet) and you have an option of killing the target. So your idea is flawed.  :trollface:
- However your main point is clear, and right.....if you cant take a stronger opponent from the front, more-less your option is to try an alternative idea that can work in the end.

Au5 #5 Posted Oct 06 2013 - 22:34

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Yes, I win

Lert #6 Posted Oct 06 2013 - 22:36

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View Posticoleman, on Oct 06 2013 - 22:32, said:

Well, considering a gladius Centurion Sword is extremely light, and the claymore is a heavy bastard sword...option 1 is also valid. One miss with the claymore (and since of the slow speed, you can easily dodge if the wielder is 7 feet) and you have an option of killing the target. So your idea is flawed.  
Not really. You can also ammorack your opponents from the front, but you'd have to be suicidal and stupid to count on that. Same as with Peter and charging headlong at the giant.

Yeah, it's 'possible', but not very likely, and you'd have to be monumentally stupid to base your strategy on it.

_Spud #7 Posted Oct 06 2013 - 22:39

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THINK ABOUT THE 2.5 CHILDREN! :(

icoleman #8 Posted Oct 06 2013 - 22:50

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View PostLert, on Oct 06 2013 - 22:36, said:

Not really. You can also ammorack your opponents from the front, but you'd have to be suicidal and stupid to count on that. Same as with Peter and charging headlong at the giant.
Yeah, it's 'possible', but not very likely, and you'd have to be monumentally stupid to base your strategy on it.
The "Giant" is Palamedes, which whom was a man forced into war (Before forcing Odysseus), and a gentle one with a heavy heart. In the book he was killed by a stabbing to the cardiac area, which caused Palamedes' heart to burst...and die.
I'm assuming that you just randomly picked a picture of a buff guy. So yes, the chances of winning from the front is low, hence to you the second part of the first comment:

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- However your main point is clear, and right.....if you cant take a stronger opponent from the front, more-less your option is to try an alternative idea that can work in the end.


Lert #9 Posted Oct 06 2013 - 22:53

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View Posticoleman, on Oct 06 2013 - 22:50, said:

The "Giant" is Palamedes
If you're gonna pick nits, the 'giant' is actually Nathan Jones, an australian wrestler and actor.  :smile:

InvaderLyx #10 Posted Oct 06 2013 - 22:53

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"Conquer your fear! And I promise you, you will conquer death!"

*FIERY DEATH*

...Alexander, you lied to me...

icoleman #11 Posted Oct 06 2013 - 22:56

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View PostLert, on Oct 06 2013 - 22:53, said:

If you're gonna pick nits, the 'giant' is actually Nathan Jones, an australian wrestler and actor.  :smile:
Well you know what I meant...I was referring to the Iliad.   :tongue:

Fritz_Fried #12 Posted Oct 06 2013 - 23:14

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1 is the only real fail answer.
2, 3 & 4 are all viable and depend on the situation.
Early in the match I would opt more for 2 (look around for easier targets) or 4 (attacking said easier targets)
Later in the match if all is well, or even early if the giant is sufficiently distracted, aid in removing his gun from the battle.

tatics #13 Posted Oct 07 2013 - 01:48

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very intresting effictive poll


Frostopper #14 Posted Oct 08 2013 - 00:29

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Usually when I see the giant, he's hiding behind a rock and I can't get a shot off anyways.
So I either move on, or camp dat panzer.
Trying to sneak around "the lead figurehead" usually resaults in getting ambushed by those 6 Hellcats you see on the enemy team's que.

Edited by Frostopper, Oct 08 2013 - 00:31.


Fishrokk #15 Posted Oct 08 2013 - 00:57

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Well, YEAH I'm gonna flank the T34 in my...Panther-looking tank (is that the VK 30.02 MAN?).

But Peter?  I wanna watch him charge.

:popcorn:

Tazilon #16 Posted Oct 08 2013 - 01:07

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Of course, if Peter is much faster than the Giant, frequently charging head first is a good option - for this reason:

If there is no nearby cover, Peter needs to get as close as possible as fast as possible in order to make the Giant...the big and clumsy giant... have to turn.  Giants don't turn well and Peter does.  If Peter tries to circle around the giant from far away, the giant doesn't have to turn far to keep his pipe pointed at Peter.  However, if Peter is right next to the giant, the giant has to turn really fast to attack Peter with his pipe, something most giants can not do.

Unfortunately, sometimes the giant's friend, Paul is nearby watching and the Giant will try to take Peter's tracks away from him so Paul can help.   This situation is where we get the phrase "robbing Peter to pay Paul".

Macundo #17 Posted Nov 06 2013 - 18:55

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I'll just ask for the closest exit...and run!
lol

Audie_L_Murphy #18 Posted Nov 06 2013 - 19:19

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Of course Peter should choose #1 & charge headfirst into the giant.  This allows me to choose #3 & engage the giant while he is occupied with killing Peter.  This will lead Peter to cry in the chat about getting no support from his team.  This also insures that Peter remains a red player & comes to the forum & is crying.

betazmag #19 Posted Nov 13 2013 - 06:01

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Thanks Lert for sharing this. I've been in many battles getting my ass kicked by higher tiers and wondered what can I do about it. +1

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View Posticoleman, on Oct 06 2013 - 22:32, said:

Well, considering a gladius Centurion Sword is extremely light, and the claymore is a heavy bastard sword...option 1 is also valid. One miss with the claymore (and since of the slow speed, you can easily dodge if the wielder is 7 feet) and you have an option of killing the target. So your idea is flawed.  :trollface:
The point in the thought exercise is to illustrate the role of rationality in choosing a course of action. The "other" component of rational choice, contrasted to the maximization of payoff, is the minimization of cost or risk. in other words, avoiding the worst-possible outcome -- while seeking a mediated best-possible outcome.

Sure, you can charge a heavy-hitter headlong. You're also maximizing the chances of the worst-possible outcome (dying) in the process, in exchange for a best-possible outcome (killing) that's achievable through less-risky means. You're also discounting other outcomes that are beneficial, like severely damaging them or forcing them to displace, that carry dramatically less risk. That's not an inherently rational choice.




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