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The horror and nightmarish VK.7021.


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kampfer91 #1 Posted Oct 23 2013 - 23:17

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I just saw this Rus video and boy , that VK.7021 is such trollish , all red , truly , imagine this one go with the WTFe-100 and we got the strongest shield and gun .
http://www.youtube.c...F4IyG2WAU#t=174
Pls tell me how to post video on this site so  i can edit my post .
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Edited by kampfer91, Oct 23 2013 - 23:32.


CrazyHeinz #2 Posted Oct 23 2013 - 23:21

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Not that nighmarish considering the narrator sounds like an eight year old stutterer in desperate need of some adderol.

ShakesFIST #3 Posted Oct 23 2013 - 23:23

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Maybe I missed it but what exactly makes this tank nightmarish?

Edited by ShakesFIST, Oct 23 2013 - 23:23.


kampfer91 #4 Posted Oct 23 2013 - 23:27

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Frontal armor , all red even if it is the lower plate . Even side armor have some parts that is in red .

And red mean it is 200 mm of armor at 90 degree .

roadkill789 #5 Posted Oct 23 2013 - 23:33

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I penned the front of the Tiger P with the 57mm on the T-34, twice in a row. (of course, those were probably lucky hits.)
EDIT: oh. wrong tank. nvm.

Edited by roadkill789, Oct 24 2013 - 00:49.


ShakesFIST #6 Posted Oct 23 2013 - 23:34

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View Postkampfer91, on Oct 23 2013 - 23:27, said:

Frontal armor , all red even if it is the lower plate . Even side armor have some parts that is in red .

And red mean it is 200 mm of armor at 90 degree .

I understand that.. I don't know why you are going off colors though. 200mm of mostly flat armor at T10 just doesn't seem terribly "nightmarish". It could be tough when reverse angling I suppose.

The tank just seems like a mostly worse E-100 to me.

PeanutFly #7 Posted Oct 23 2013 - 23:35

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View PostCrazyHeinz, on Oct 23 2013 - 23:21, said:

Not that nighmarish considering the narrator sounds like an eight year old stutterer in desperate need of some adderol.
That's about the average speed people normally talk in Russian, although he does stutter a lot, and he sounds like a teenager. Still, 200mm armor even on the lfp and 180 all along the side, along with that alpha?! :confused:
I really don't see the reason why people call it the Failowe, it would be awesome! (assuming the driver knows how to sidescrape).

Edited by PeanutFly, Oct 23 2013 - 23:37.


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I hear it is called "Dali Lowema"  :ohmy:

MAI_WAIFUTRAGER_E_100 #9 Posted Oct 23 2013 - 23:42

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The lower plate is 200 at a significantly lower angle, I'd say 250-300 effective max
So while the upper plate is going to be hard to pen that lower plate is going to make it suck
Also sidescraping won't work because of the turret design

kampfer91 #10 Posted Oct 23 2013 - 23:45

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Still better than the E-100 with its stupid not so effective lower plate  .
And don't be fooled about that VK lower plate , only a part that is quite flat , the other part is at very good angle .

MAI_WAIFUTRAGER_E_100 #11 Posted Oct 23 2013 - 23:52

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It is quite flat
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If we put it at 30 degrees from the vertical (And that's quite generous), that puts it at about 230 effective
The E-100 lower plate, 150 at approx 45 degrees from the vertical, is approximately 215 effective
EDIT: apparently the E-100 lower plate is actually 150 at 50 degrees, which would make it effectively 235
These are all approximations but you can see where I'm going. The turret armor is less strong (Not to mention that if you point your gun away from someone they will autopen your turret), it has less health, and has less DPM.
It furthermore cannot sidescrape because the turret ring bulges out of the side for some indescribable reason.
It has many flaws that anyone could point out to you.

Edited by MAI_WAIFUTRAGER_E_100, Oct 23 2013 - 23:53.


ShakesFIST #12 Posted Oct 23 2013 - 23:59

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View Postkampfer91, on Oct 23 2013 - 23:45, said:

Still better than the E-100 with its stupid not so effective lower plate  .
And don't be fooled about that VK lower plate , only a part that is quite flat , the other part is at very good angle .
150mm angled (E100) is bad at T10. I'm not denying the lower hull weakness of the E-100.
Whats to be fooled about? It has a LARGE chunk of flat 200mm armor as nearly half the frontal hull. The glacis is probably decent when angled but below that won't take much work to pen. If by the "other part" you are talking about the very small angled part on the very bottom of the tank (below the lower glacis)...If anyone is shooting and hitting that instead of the many other, larger, easier to pen areas areas they need to stop playing. If you intend to rely on that small strip to save you from being penned, I welcome you on the enemy team.

Edited by ShakesFIST, Oct 23 2013 - 23:59.


Angry_WhiteGuy #13 Posted Oct 24 2013 - 00:01

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View Postkampfer91, on Oct 23 2013 - 23:17, said:

Pls tell me how to post video on this site so  i can edit my post .

Just put [media ] at the front of the link and [/media ]  at the back (without spaces)

Edited by Angel_of_Darkness45, Oct 24 2013 - 00:02.


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View PostMAI_WAIFUTRAGER_E_100, on Oct 23 2013 - 23:42, said:

The lower plate is 200 at a significantly lower angle, I'd say 250-300 effective max
So while the upper plate is going to be hard to pen that lower plate is going to make it suck
Also sidescraping won't work because of the turret design

It's still much less of a weak spot than any other Tier X heavies' lower plate.

MAI_WAIFUTRAGER_E_100 #15 Posted Oct 24 2013 - 00:03

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View PostSpartanCrusader, on Oct 24 2013 - 00:01, said:

It's still much less of a weak spot than any other Tier X heavies' lower plate.
The comparison is strictly between the E-100 and the 7201

kampfer91 #16 Posted Oct 24 2013 - 00:08

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True , but is it the same for every tank ? Turn your turret and they will pen you , everyone will aim for your lower hull and i don't think i have failed to penetrate an E-100 's lower hull .

And that frontal armor is not flat , although its angle is not quite as good as the E-100 , but it have extra armor so you can angle its again .
If it is not good at side scrapping , then don't do it , it is better fighting at the corner with that rear mounted turret and thicker side armor than E-100 despite the lack of skirt armor .

It can run 40 km/h too , ask the E-100 to do that .

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View Postkampfer91, on Oct 24 2013 - 00:08, said:

True , but is it the same for every tank ? Turn your turret and they will pen you , everyone will aim for your lower hull and i don't think i have failed to penetrate an E-100 's lower hull .

And that frontal armor is not flat , although its angle is not quite as good as the E-100 , but it have extra armor so you can angle its again .
If it is not good at side scrapping , then don't do it , it is better fighting at the corner with that rear mounted turret and thicker side armor than E-100 despite the lack of skirt armor .

It can run 40 km/h too , ask the E-100 to do that .
It can go 10 km/h faster than the E-100 at the cost of being strictly inferior in every other way.
It can't sidescrape, while the E-100 is the sidescrape king
It's turret isn't strong, meanwhile the E-100's turret effectiveness increases with angling
That bulge on the turret ring basically invalidates any angling you could do to make your front plate better.

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View PostMAI_WAIFUTRAGER_E_100, on Oct 23 2013 - 23:42, said:

The lower plate is 200 at a significantly lower angle, I'd say 250-300 effective max
So while the upper plate is going to be hard to pen that lower plate is going to make it suck
Also sidescraping won't work because of the turret design
You do realize that if we go with the lower number, that will bounce about 50% of all HT shells without angling, and if we go with the higher number, that will bounce every AP round in the game with some reliability?
Also, how does the turret design mean that sidescraping won't work?  Unless, of course, the VK45.02(P) and the Maus both suck hard at sidescraping.

View PostMAI_WAIFUTRAGER_E_100, on Oct 24 2013 - 00:03, said:

The comparison is strictly between the E-100 and the 7201
Correct, and what we're saying is that the VK72.01(K) kicks the E-100's tail in the armor game.

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View PostStarkiIIer, on Oct 24 2013 - 00:11, said:

You do realize that if we go with the lower number, that will bounce about 50% of all HT shells without angling, and if we go with the higher number, that will bounce every AP round in the game with some reliability?
Also, how does the turret design mean that sidescraping won't work?  Unless, of course, the VK45.02(P) and the Maus both suck hard at sidescraping.

Correct, and what we're saying is that the VK72.01(K) kicks the E-100's tail in the armor game.
Baddie, go and get higher than 2k dpg in a tier 10 and come back
1. I misspoke, the bulge on the side invalidates sidescraping.
2. And it is actually worse than the lower bound that I posed. It's more like 230ish, which gasp coincidentally is exactly the same as the E-100

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View PostMAI_WAIFUTRAGER_E_100, on Oct 24 2013 - 00:16, said:

Baddie, go and get higher than 2k dpg in a tier 10 and come back
1. I misspoke, the bulge on the side invalidates sidescraping.
2. And it is actually worse than the lower bound that I posed. It's more like 230ish, which gasp coincidentally is exactly the same as the E-100
I'm sorry, did you just tell me to get 2k+ DPG in a tank that has the worst gun not just in tier 10, but in tier 9 also?
1. Hmm, rounded armor.  That's completely weak.  Just like it's a good idea to shoot russian mediums in the turret.
2.a) I call BS on the E-100 having 230mm lower glacis, especially when the Tiger, Tiger P, and T29 can reliably pen it.
b) Maus has a worse lower glacis than that, and I still do just fine in it.  Also, that's 230mm before angling.  If you're not angling in a german heavy, then you're doing it wrong.  But what do I know, you've played so many games in a high tier german heavy.