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Halcion #21 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 04:09

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Add more fire to the Russian bias conspiracy theory. Smart. Not giving any of my money to Wargaming for this Russian tankfest. The T29 has butter hull armor, of course its OP to everybody that auto aims and throws HE at the turret like lemmings.

SpectreHD #22 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 04:15

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And I just wonder what is the reason for increasing the ROF of the 57mm ZIS-4 for the T-34.

darkterren #23 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 04:21

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View PostJamesDean, on Mar 01 2011 - 02:54, said:

Ok guys, I just tested the T29 ROF at the start of the match using my cell stopwatch.  T29 at 100% crew with rammer.

It took 9.71 seconds so that is ~ 6.18 Rounds/minute.

I will update tomorrow and compare with the new (lower) ROF.
yes let us know this will be a big help cant beleive they are nerfing one of the only good heavy tanks the us got. and i just got the 105 today
i thought the cold war was over?????? lol

snafu37 #24 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 04:52

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I just saw this and it REALLY pisses me off. One of the very few things that we have that is worth two cents is getting a nerf. They didn't bother to mention how MUCH the ROF will be decreased but if its not negligible and un noticeable I will not be paying for this overly biased russian game. This is such a slap in the face. The T1 and M6 are already out classed bad by the other tier 5 and 6 heavys. The T34, from what everybody says, sucks compared to its counter parts. Besides that they decide many other Russian tanks need an ROF INCREASE. I have supported and defended this game but this is utterly ridiculous and I will not spend a dime on this game if they continue to stick Americans with a one hundred foot shaft pole of poor quality Russian steel.

Ultramarine212 #25 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 06:22

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Seriously? The ONLY US tank i've come to love is now getting NERFED? Well folks, that's the straw that breaks the camels back.

Lets have a review here.

Tiers 1-4 are pretty balanced, and are probably the most fun to play. Once you hit Tier 5, all shit hits the fan.

Tier 5

Best Tier 5 Heavy? KV. Best Tier 5 Medium? Sherman. Best Tier 5 TD? SU-85. Best Tier 5 SPG? SU-8... 3/4 Russian Tanks, someone check for an incoming Sherman nerf... Devs are increasing RoF for T-34/57.

Best Tier 6 Heavy? KV-3. Best Tier 6 Medium? T-34/100. Best Tier 6 TD? SU-100. Best Tier 6 SPG? SU-14... 4/4 Russian Tanks. Holy shi....

Best Tier 7 Heavy? T29 Pre Nerf. Best Tier 7 Medium? T-43. Best Tier 7 TD? SU-152. Best SPG? Object 212. 3/4 Russian tanks Pre Nerf.

Tier 8 Heavy? IS-3. Tier 8 Medium? T-44. Tier 8 TD? ISU-152 3/3 Russian Tanks.

Best Tier 9 Heavy? IS-4. Best Tier 9 Medium? T-54lol. Best Tier 9 TD? Object 704. 3/3 Russian Tanks.

Best Tier 10 Heavy? IS-7.

It gets better folks, Look at how the US TDs are Tiered.

M18 Hellcat? Tier 6, with a 76mm gun, compared to the 122mm the SU-100 gets.
M18 90mm / M36? Tier 7 with a 90mm, compared to the 152 / 122mm options on the SU-152.
Tier 8? T28 with a 120mm gun, compared to the ISU-152 BL10 152mm gun.
Tier 9? O snap, some balance, T95 armed with a 155mm, compared to the Object 704 BL10. Probably gonna mess up the T95's frontal armor like they messed up the JagdTiger.


Also, how the Hell can they justify this? The 105mm on the T29 has a 6rpm, the best 122mm on the IS is 5.56.

T29 has 2 Loaders, IS has 1.

Sturmtiger_304 #26 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 07:11

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View PostAsyranok, on Feb 28 2011 - 23:45, said:

The Americans and Germans are just not allowed to dominate any tier are they...
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and Germans are just not
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Germans
Still trying to desipher this incredibly long & frustratingly heard to read sentence & comperhend what you just wrote.

I think I got it now.

You just need more skill & versitality to play the Germans, but when I switch the topic to the Russians, everyone RUNS up with carpets trying to cover anything I said about them. Like this cat below, this is how hard to see that the Russians got the most love in this game.
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malex337 #27 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 07:13

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Has come from the Russian server, many players in Russia also don't like that Russian tanks are stronger, we too like to play German and American tanks, т29 one of favourite tanks, it isn't impregnable, it another, but very good tank.
With a recharge 5, it is very heavy against medium tanks, with heavy it is normal. For us waits 1 more nerf this tank :(

Sturmtiger_304 #28 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 07:21

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C'mon guys, can't you see how bad this forum is at hiding things, like this dog?

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dcclaridge #29 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 07:42

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While you are at it, you better nerf T1 heavy, because I once killed a T54 with it using HE shells... Are the Russians the only ones allowed to have good tanks?

j_peterson #30 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 08:01

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Could we not have one stinkin tank that can hold it's own against the russian hordes, guess not apparently.......

RynoSuperman #31 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 09:46

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LOL we are not Beta testers, our feedback is ignored.

xplane #32 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 10:59

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Good afternoon the respected players of the American server. I write to you from Ukraine. I similarly as well as you play the world of tanks. The American branch of development for me is priority. I similarly as you experience for the change of descriptions of T29 in particular, and branches on the whole. On our forum there is a theme with the discussion of such unfair change of descriptions. Business in that developers do not listen us. Perchance will hear you. So not stopped. Defend the point of view. Successes. We will support you.

OJ191 #33 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 11:18

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View PostLivewyr7, on Mar 01 2011 - 02:22, said:

Irritation here is that there really won't be anything done in response to beta tester commentary.. I mean, it's not like we haven't played thousands of battles for the specific purpose of delivering feedback to be considered in development.

In response to overwhelming criticism on the server about the T-54 and it's various inaccuracies, glitches, and over-maneuverability per armor/weight .. the development team has decided to increase the height of the hull by 10cm (down from the original 15cm) which, for comparison, is about the the width of the INSIDE of the barrel of it's top gun. They've decided to increase the track repair time by 10% (which in reality means little difference between 2 seconds, and 2.2 seconds.) And they have reduced the track health of the T-54 so it can be tracked easier. I don't know about other players, but TRACKING the T-54 was never a problem for me, the problem was that you would TRACK it with a 155mm AP round (91 lbs of metal) and do no damage. (Oh, they also increased the cost of repairing it.. which means... ...   ...  absolutely nothing when fighting it in a battle.

I haven't seen any "NERF THAT T-29, it's so OP" threads. There might be one or two.. somewhere, buried in Nerf the Russian tanks threads.. just a lot of "I like the T-29, I love it!"   Well.. we can't have someone liking an American tank over the IS...


I haven't verified it yet, but I've heard rumor that the majority of tank battles on the Russian server are between T-54's and IS-7's (with variable artillery) which is great in Russia, if you're Russian, then you should be happy if your country's tank is better than the others, and why play them?  

Bringing that concept to North America and Europe might deliver a shock. The battles will most likely still be majority T-54 and IS-7 (or tanks on their way to them) but the overall amount might be a fraction.

IIRC track repair is a percentage based repair (why shooting them again makes it take longer to repair). So it might not even increase the repair time - with less health, sure it will get tracked easier but it might repair faster. We will have to see, but...

Rock_Spider #34 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 12:13

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Ok people... I have the perfect plan. It has been said countless times by overlord that nerfs/buffs are based on "stats". Whenever we ask why maus gets no buff they say... "it has the highest win ratio and bla bla bla".

So.... Everyone who owns a T29 go home and play 20 games a day and FAIL catastrophically. Like epic failz. In no time the stats will reflect that the t29 needs a major buff  :Smile_great:

Massdit #35 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 12:33

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View PostLivewyr7, on Mar 01 2011 - 02:22, said:

Irritation here is that there really won't be anything done in response to beta tester commentary.. I mean, it's not like we haven't played thousands of battles for the specific purpose of delivering feedback to be considered in development.

In response to overwhelming criticism on the server about the T-54 and it's various inaccuracies, glitches, and over-maneuverability per armor/weight .. the development team has decided to increase the height of the hull by 10cm (down from the original 15cm) which, for comparison, is about the the width of the INSIDE of the barrel of it's top gun. They've decided to increase the track repair time by 10% (which in reality means little difference between 2 seconds, and 2.2 seconds.) And they have reduced the track health of the T-54 so it can be tracked easier. I don't know about other players, but TRACKING the T-54 was never a problem for me, the problem was that you would TRACK it with a 155mm AP round (91 lbs of metal) and do no damage. (Oh, they also increased the cost of repairing it.. which means... ...   ...  absolutely nothing when fighting it in a battle.

I haven't seen any "NERF THAT T-29, it's so OP" threads. There might be one or two.. somewhere, buried in Nerf the Russian tanks threads.. just a lot of "I like the T-29, I love it!"   Well.. we can't have someone liking an American tank over the IS...


I haven't verified it yet, but I've heard rumor that the majority of tank battles on the Russian server are between T-54's and IS-7's (with variable artillery) which is great in Russia, if you're Russian, then you should be happy if your country's tank is better than the others, and why play them?  

Bringing that concept to North America and Europe might deliver a shock. The battles will most likely still be majority T-54 and IS-7 (or tanks on their way to them) but the overall amount might be a fraction.

Thanks +100 :Smile_honoring::Smile_great:

conductiv #36 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 12:38

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I agree the soviets have little to complain about. the other 2 nations however.

-T1 is a horrible heavy compared to KV (no buffs)
-germans have no T6 heavy (buffed mediums get +10 hitpionts...whoohoo)
-tiger is poor compared to all T7 heavies. (no buffs) T-29 seems to do better then IS (reduce impact by reducing rate of fire of 105mm cannon)
-ISU mounts the most powerfull gun, sole weakness is poor armor (to decrease ferdi impact on current games reduce ferdinand 128mm cannon ROF)
-T54 rapes the T9 heavies (make it just pwn, reduce track repair rate and track hp.)
-obj704 TD has impenetratable gunmantle (make it penetratable only for russian big guns or american top tier heavy, slighly reduce mantle armor)
-german problem with gunmantles (buffed, only boost MAUS gunmantle for now.)

there where a few russian nerfs, but few had treu ingame impact.

bobjoeharris #37 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 14:29

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In my opinion the VK3001H is best tier 6 med. Has anyone noticed that Russian tier 9 tanks are more OP than the rest?

Livewyr7 #38 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 14:57

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View Postbobjoeharris, on Mar 01 2011 - 14:29, said:

In my opinion the VK3001H is best tier 6 med. Has anyone noticed that Russian tier 9 tanks are more OP than the rest?

Where have you been all my life?  :)

RingoMcHarrison #39 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 15:26

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Just played a few battles in the T-29 and the nerfed RoF seemed very noticeable.

Then I saw this:

View PostOverlord, on Mar 01 2011 - 13:46, said:

It will be reduced from 6 to 5 rounds per minute.

That's 2 more seconds between shots. Retarded.

At this rate in the next patch they're going to remove the guns on every non-soviet tank.

Excuse me, I'll go to the corner and shoot myself now.

sargefan19 #40 Posted Mar 01 2011 - 15:26

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View Postconductiv, on Mar 01 2011 - 12:38, said:

-german problem with gunmantles (buffed, only boost MAUS gunmantle for now.)
there where a few russian nerfs, but few had treu ingame impact.
dude remember the awesome buff of the king tiger mantle to a whopping 100mm on the production turret that makes only 1/4th of the turret's front  actually have a thickness of 180mm
The devs have always done this and they don't want to listen the only people who claim the t29 is oped are people who use auto aim and can't aim at proper points. They need to fix the higher tier American tanks because if you look at the t34 it is just a t29 with a little bit more armor in the back of the turret until you get the 120mm.
Remember people they already nerfed the t32 and the rest of the other American heavies don't stand a chance why shouldn't they make it the most disliked tree in world of tanks by nerfing the t29




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