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raeff001 #221 Posted Apr 20 2011 - 16:01

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View PostSturmButcher, on Mar 01 2011 - 00:44, said:

guys stop crying, as far as I see the t-29 is a tank really hard to kill, when I shoot with my jagdpanther (same tear) only hear ricochets and dings, it is no fair, it supossed the jagdpanther had a 88 with real high velocity, that tank could destroy everything becouse could penetrate 237 mm, so where is the balance?

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Unsavory #222 Posted Apr 21 2011 - 04:15

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The problem with the T-29 is not that it dominates its tier.. it dominates the next tier as well.  Not saying it has to be nerfed all to hell but clearly its just crazy good for its tier.

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It IS crazy good, that's why it's been nerfed in every major patch... and there's really not many more ways the T29 can be nerfed without screwing up the T32/T34 as well... fire rate, traverse, passability, all nerfed already. Damage nerf is coming next patch.

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View PostUnsavory, on Apr 21 2011 - 04:15, said:

The problem with the T-29 is not that it dominates its tier.. it dominates the next tier as well.  Not saying it has to be nerfed all to hell but clearly its just crazy good for its tier.

Just shoot the hull. And the T29 does NOT dominate Tier 8.

Mow_Mow #225 Posted Apr 21 2011 - 08:36

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It might not dominate, but it certainly plays better than the IS does. The Tiger's superior penetration keeps it quite capable at combating tier 8 tanks as well, provided it has support. (Just like the T29)

Cruor #226 Posted Apr 21 2011 - 09:56

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The T29 is strong in its habitat. If you see a T 29 hull down, you use explosive or you just dont fight it, the end. If an IS 4 is charging down the street at you, you dont have the option to not fight it, that's the difference.

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View PostCruor, on Apr 21 2011 - 09:56, said:

The T29 is strong in its habitat. If you see a T 29 hull down, you use explosive or you just dont fight it, the end. If an IS 4 is charging down the street at you, you dont have the option to not fight it, that's the difference.

Exactly. The T29 and KT require tactics to be good... the IS4 does not. Same with most of the medium and heavy Russian tanks vs similar tiers. This is complete crap.

Buff the KT, leave the T29 the hell alone, throw in more weak spots on the IS4, follow similar rules throughout the various lines. Then you'll have better balance without homoginization.

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View PostUnsavory, on Apr 21 2011 - 04:15, said:

The problem with the T-29 is not that it dominates its tier.. it dominates the next tier as well.  Not saying it has to be nerfed all to hell but clearly its just crazy good for its tier.
The only reason it dominates is the grind to get to the T29, any one who goes through the grind from the M3 Lee to the T1 heavy then the M6 to get to the T29 will be a better tanker than the same going through the russian heavy line. All russian tanks from the T4 on up have bigger guns that do more damage, T-28 T4 tank gets the 85mm gun which can even go through the US Teir 10 T30 tank, KV not only does it have 2 DERP guns it has one of the best guns in the game 107mm, then you have the KV-3 and it 122mm gun same with the IS. Now look at what the Lee has just a 75mm gun with no turret, then the T1 Heavy only has a 76mm gun, at the end of the M6 grind you finally get the 90 that can just barley go through the KV-3 armour, then you finaly get to the T29 with the 105mm gun and you have learned how to use US tanks and you get better stats with it.

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a1fox3 #230 Posted Apr 23 2011 - 16:07

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View PostAlejando, on Apr 11 2011 - 13:40, said:

Pershing is superior to the t54 in a 1vs1
Only if the Pershing gets the frist shot, if the T54 hits frist then the Pershing is gone.
Been there done that, before releas I had both and tested them out, with the M26 if i got the frist shot in on a T54 I would normaly win the game, but if the T54 got the frist shot on the M26 it would normaly win.

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a1fox3 #231 Posted Apr 27 2011 - 22:20

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Not only did they nerf the ROF but the T29 has worst camo rating than the IS by 25 points.
The T29 has a camo net rating of 12 where the IS has a camo net rating of 37.
Go see for you self.

http://forum.worldof...ge__hl__secrets


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CaptSnacky #232 Posted Apr 27 2011 - 22:59

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Maybe it's just me, but compared to the beta T29 just before the release candidate the T29 we have now feels slower and less powerful than before. Reload times on the 105mm seem longer, traverse speed is longer, overall speed and maneuverability of the tank is worse, and while the Turret is strong the hull is very weak. Everyone talks about the T29 being too strong, but it only takes a few matches running it against tanks in it's tier to find out it's really not.

Those of us that run the American tanks have just become better tankers because we have always had less to work with than the other trees. This is not an insult to those using the other tanks, but quite honestly we, American, guys have to work harder and smarter to stay alive and get the kills. We also rely more on teamwork and supporting each other.

IMO the American and German tanks in this game will never be equal to the Russian tanks. This is a Russian game Developed by Russian designers and their major fan base is in Russia so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. We ran into the same thing with IL2 (also made by a Russian design team) and we managed to overcome the Russian hardware in there as well with superior tactics and teamwork.

As long as they don't completely cut the legs off the T29 right now I think we can manage, but if they continue to chop it to the point where it's unusable then at least we know where we stand in the eyes of the Designers.  


a1fox3 #233 Posted Apr 29 2011 - 19:29

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This looks like good news for T29 drivers. :Smile_honoring:

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Also, I keep hearing about a ROF re-buff but a damage nerf for the T29. What is going on there?

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1. Initially they were planned for v.0.7. You misunderstood something.

2. 7.23 RpM for 105mm gun according to the latest test patch (still subject to change). Note that damage has been decreased to 320.

I hope this dont change.

http://forum.worldof...eloper-answers/

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TAGS: British release, patch release, hetzer crew vent, premium vehicles, American Tank Destroyer, T29 nerf, HE damage, PZIIJ, PvE, Radio range, skins, platoon sizes


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a1fox3 #234 Posted Apr 29 2011 - 19:33

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View PostSnacky, on Apr 27 2011 - 22:59, said:

Maybe it's just me, but compared to the beta T29 just before the release candidate the T29 we have now feels slower and less powerful than before. Reload times on the 105mm seem longer, traverse speed is longer, overall speed and maneuverability of the tank is worse, and while the Turret is strong the hull is very weak. Everyone talks about the T29 being too strong, but it only takes a few matches running it against tanks in it's tier to find out it's really not.

Those of us that run the American tanks have just become better tankers because we have always had less to work with than the other trees. This is not an insult to those using the other tanks, but quite honestly we, American, guys have to work harder and smarter to stay alive and get the kills. We also rely more on teamwork and supporting each other.

IMO the American and German tanks in this game will never be equal to the Russian tanks. This is a Russian game Developed by Russian designers and their major fan base is in Russia so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. We ran into the same thing with IL2 (also made by a Russian design team) and we managed to overcome the Russian hardware in there as well with superior tactics and teamwork.

As long as they don't completely cut the legs off the T29 right now I think we can manage, but if they continue to chop it to the point where it's unusable then at least we know where we stand in the eyes of the Designers.  

It is slower and stuff now but only because my crew is only at 178% where before release it was 348% as soon as I get back to 348% it will fell the same.
Just like all of us every tank I had high crew % which I had 4 over 300% and 8 at over 250% they fell sluggish now but I will wait till I get some crews over 200% before I will start complaning.

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View Posta1fox3, on Apr 29 2011 - 19:33, said:

It is slower and stuff now but only because my crew is only at 178% where before release it was 348% as soon as I get back to 348% it will fell the same.
Just like all of us every tank I had high crew % which I had 4 over 300% and 8 at over 250% they fell sluggish now but I will wait till I get some crews over 200% before I will start complaning.

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348%? Did you send your crews to private school or something?

a1fox3 #236 Posted Apr 29 2011 - 19:47

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View PostMorrigan, on Apr 29 2011 - 19:37, said:

348%? Did you send your crews to private school or something?
No I was a beta tester and I had over 7000 games played before release.

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View Posta1fox3, on Apr 29 2011 - 19:47, said:

No I was a beta tester and I had over 7000 games played before release.
I must have missed a dev note somewhere.

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The T29 is without question the best tier 7 tank.  When I am driving it and I see a Tiger or an IS...I laugh, I laugh out loud...

organdonor #239 Posted May 06 2011 - 13:15

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the t-29 is way over powered its not fair the armor is way to crazy the tiger 1 and the tiger 2 have problems going killing it at all its sad you need to bump down the armor or something its way un fair.

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View Postorgandonor, on May 06 2011 - 13:15, said:

the t-29 is way over powered its not fair the armor is way to crazy the tiger 1 and the tiger 2 have problems going killing it at all its sad you need to bump down the armor or something its way un fair.
The armor is not way too crazy. You just have no clue how to take them out. It is the first tank where you actually have to have one iota of intelligence to decide where to shoot them instead of just shooting anywhere on the tank. When you hit the T29, welcome to the big boys because its the first experience you get for learning how to survive in tier 7-10 tank battles.

Aim for the weak spots. Stop shooting the turret.




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