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T-34 and T-34-85

Soviet Medium Tanks T-34 Tier V Tier VI

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JEChilcoteBORA #1 Posted Dec 04 2013 - 23:15

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What does it bother me that the in-game description for the T-34-85 say it's a different tank but historically speaking it was designed to be an improvement an Upgraded Variant of the T-34.
The T-34 (German designation: T-34/76) was the original tank with a 76.2 mm gun in a two-man turret.
Model 1940 (T-34/76A): Early, small production run (about 400 built[26]) with the L-11 76.2 mm tank gun.
Model 1941 (T-34/76B): Main production with thicker armour and the superior F-34 76.2 mm gun.
Model 1942 (T-34/76C): Thicker armour, many minor manufacturing improvements.
Model 1943 (T-34/76D, E, and F): Introduced May 1942 (not 1943). More ammunition and fuel, very minor armour increase.[44] New hexagonal turret, nicknamed "Mickey Mouse" by the Germans because of its appearance with the twin, round turret-roof hatches open. Later production had a new commander's cupola.
The T-34-85 (German designation: T-34/85) was a major improvement with an 85 mm gun in a three-man turret. All T-34-85 models are externally very similar.
Model 1943: Short production run of February–March 1944 with D-5T 85 mm gun.
Model 1944: Produced from March 1944 through to the end of that year, with simpler ZiS-S-53 85 mm gun, radio moved from the hull into a turret with improved layout and new gunner's sight.
Model 1945: Produced from 1944 to 1945, with an electrically powered turret traverse motor, an enlarged commander's cupola with a one-piece hatch, and the TDP (tankovoy dimoviy pribor) smoke system with electrically detonated MDSh canisters.
Model 1946: Production model with the improved V-2-34M engine, new wheels, and other minor details.
Model 1960: A refurbishing program introduced a new V-2-3411 engine and other modernizations.
Model 1969 (also called T-34-85M): Another refurbishing program introducing night driving equipment, additional fuel, and other modernizations.

FPSGHoST808 #2 Posted Dec 04 2013 - 23:17

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if you read it correctly it basically says that the T-34-85 model had so many modifications that it was basically a new tank that looked/ was modeled like the old one

Edited by FPSGHoST808, Dec 04 2013 - 23:17.


Spartan96 #3 Posted Dec 04 2013 - 23:18

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Its different enough to warrant making it a tier 6.

NL_Celt #4 Posted Dec 04 2013 - 23:23

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Tougher turret, better gun, 5 man crew. Definitely an upgrade and good for a higher tier classification. Hull was basically if not exactly the same.

JEChilcoteBORA #5 Posted Dec 04 2013 - 23:24

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View PostFPSGHoST808, on Dec 04 2013 - 23:17, said:

if you read it correctly it basically says that the T-34-85 model had so many modifications that it was basically a new tank that looked/ was modeled like the old one
That makes sense but to does that mean the T-34 and it's variants are still the most mass produced tank of World War 2 because I grew up with the facts that the T-34 was the most produced tank of the second World war and the second most produced was the M4 Sherman. Also is the T-34-5 worth it in game?

Edited by JEChilcoteBORA, Dec 04 2013 - 23:26.


Dominatus #6 Posted Dec 04 2013 - 23:32

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View PostJEChilcoteBORA, on Dec 04 2013 - 23:24, said:

That makes sense but to does that mean the T-34 and it's variants are still the most mass produced tank of World War 2 because I grew up with the facts that the T-34 was the most produced tank of the second World war and the second most produced was the M4 Sherman.
Yes, that's still correct (I can't see why you'd think it's not).

The T-34-85 was a pretty significant redesign of the T-34. While the hull retained the same shape and armour, the turret ring was enlarged and a new, bigger turret was put into it.

Sergei_Smirnov #7 Posted Dec 04 2013 - 23:45

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Yeah, they take some liberties with what constitutes a "different" tank.  The "IS and IS-2" are the same tank as well.  The "IS" is basically a JS-2 that lacks the improved frontal sloping.  The T28 and the "T95" are the same tank.  The "T95" is a T28 with the tracks applied.