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BullSaw #1 Posted Dec 09 2013 - 14:31

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Its always when I'm in a light tank (or sometimes a light medium). My playstyle is usually conservative. I get the initial spots needed, sometimes I passive if the map caters to it, but then i simply drive around the flanks and take shots of opportunity for a while. This is when there are still 13 + tanks on the enemy team. After more tanks die, i get more aggressive. I go for some more spots, and try and find an opening or a lone tank to kill. If i see more than two tanks in an area, i usually stay away (unless they are lower tier than me, which is rare in a 13 90). Everything I do, i make sure that i can survive, because a dead tank is a useless tank.
Its about halfway through, when there are still plenty of tanks left, that i start getting the rage. Both good and bad players alike complain that I'm not scouting enough, or that I shouldve gone for arty already. Most time, these actions would get me killed at this point in the game. I usually come out either on top or close to the top by the end of the game. Only times I do badly is when my team is so good I don't get the opportunity (but we win anyway, which is all that matters).
So my question to the GOOD light tank players is: am I doing something wrong, or are these players just not familiar with the playstyle of a light tank?
Here are my replays if you couldnt find them before:
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Geophage #2 Posted Dec 09 2013 - 14:33

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The people who die early are required by the EULA to talk trash for the rest of the game.  It's not you, it's WG.

ASSASSIN_0_II_0_NISSASSA #3 Posted Dec 09 2013 - 14:34

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View PostBullSaw, on Dec 09 2013 - 14:31, said:

So my question to the GOOD light tank players is: am I doing something wrong, or are these players just not familiar with the playstyle of a light tank?
Probably because those people are idiots and don't understand your playstyle.
I get called bad all the time, then usually go on to carry the battle.
Don't let them bother you, in a nutshell, they are noobs.

eragon0309 #4 Posted Dec 09 2013 - 14:37

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Mediums tanks and the AMX 13 90 should be used how you are using them! using them to pick off weaker tanks is what the AMX 13s are for. I killed a T34 M40/M43 and a M103 in 1 game with my AMX 13 75 because i waited for later in the game then i picked em off....

crashumbc #5 Posted Dec 09 2013 - 14:39

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Without out replays it would be impossible to even make a guess to whether the "baddie" claims have merit.

Like others said, dead people talk smack.

But it's also possible you're spending half the game being completely useless and not impacting the match.

Angry_Snail #6 Posted Dec 09 2013 - 14:39

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Well, when they start paying you a salary, they will have the right to judge your performance.

Friends19 #7 Posted Dec 09 2013 - 14:40

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light tank autoloaders or lights that know what they're doing can be extremely helpful by providing fire support and not scouting if you already know whats there. several times I have gotten top damage dealer on the winning team in my t71 because I didn't die early on and survived long enough to finish everything that was left

Lexxster #8 Posted Dec 09 2013 - 14:41

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I played the 13 90 as an ambush predator, and scouted pretty much the same as you depending on the map. Campanova, I rush field to light the enemy for first volley and cause general mischief in the opening of the game. But only that map and I give a heads up on the count down.
And I really don't give 2 ##### what others say, I play how I want not how they want.

Sorphius #9 Posted Dec 09 2013 - 14:42

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Well it's obvious from your stats that you're doing something right, so I wouldn't sweat it too much.  With the abundance off Suiscouts in most tiers, I've found that the vast majority of players believe if a scout isn't actively driving toward/in front of the enemy, he isn't doing his job.

Of course these are the same players who rage about being killed by invisitanks when all the lights and mediums are dead 10 minutes into the game and all they have left on their team are heavies and TDs...

Euro_Trash #10 Posted Dec 09 2013 - 14:42

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Bad players rage at you because they suiscout for life.
Good players rage at you because they are damage-hungry, pissed off by hordes of pot plants stealing defeat from the claws of victory, and therefore impatient.
Generally a scout is most useful very early in the game, and then very late.
Best would be to upload some replays so good scout players can comment on actual performance, but in general the rage is part of good scout as much as haxcusations are of playing well.

mattscooby #11 Posted Dec 09 2013 - 14:43

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pubs are just pubs, maybe you are bad, maybe not , but at the end of the day , playing a light, relying on 14 people to watch a mini map? tough one.
I get slammed for camping in my lowe at the back, do I care ? well no , I got too padd my stats some how, so playing my lowe and super pershing is the only way .
sit back, take shots when you can, push at the right time, use forward scouts .
a good scout, light is there till the end, still lighting targets out of rear tanks view range, but with in draw distance.
a bad light, scout is usualy dead with in hmmm 40 seconds of battle start , screaming, wtf, I lit all there team, wtf is 15 tansk still alive on karellia ? why did no one shoot them tanks at 800 meters ?

Dorneles #12 Posted Dec 09 2013 - 14:44

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This game is about kill WITHOUT being killed.

you are doing it right. Keep it.

BullSaw #13 Posted Dec 09 2013 - 14:45

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View Postcrashumbc, on Dec 09 2013 - 14:39, said:

Without out replays it would be impossible to even make a guess to whether the "baddie" claims have merit.

Like others said, dead people talk smack.

But it's also possible you're spending half the game being completely useless and not impacting the match.
http://www.noobmeter...621226986782812

this is a game i just had. It was nothing special. If anything, I couldve done a lot better. But I'm concerned that your last statement may be true.

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I would say about 80% plus of the player base don't know how to opperate lights.  In the recent survey people overwhelmingly said they were the hardest class of tank to play.  If you are scoring in the top of your team in exp. and in the 13-90 you should be putting out some damage, then do what I do and ignore them.  It is usually people who don't know how to play lights that do the most instruction on how to play them in game, or dead heavy drivers with 45% winrate.

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View PostDorneles, on Dec 09 2013 - 14:44, said:

This game is about kill WITHOUT being killed.you are doing it right. Keep it.
Sometimes, but in a scout tanks there are lots of times when you leave the battle early without a kill having done a great job and contributed to the victory.

BullSaw #16 Posted Dec 09 2013 - 14:53

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View PostMudman24, on Dec 09 2013 - 14:49, said:

I would say about 80% plus of the player base don't know how to opperate lights.  In the recent survey people overwhelmingly said they were the hardest class of tank to play.  If you are scoring in the top of your team in exp. and in the 13-90 you should be putting out some damage, then do what I do and ignore them.  It is usually people who don't know how to play lights that do the most instruction on how to play them in game, or dead heavy drivers with 45% winrate.
I always ignore the scrubs. It's when the good players complain that I get concerned. Obviously good players aren't automatically knowledgable about light tank play, but good players don't usually complain about the same BS that the whining pubbies do.

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View PostGeophage, on Dec 09 2013 - 14:33, said:

The people who die early are required by the EULA to talk trash for the rest of the game.  It's not you, it's WG.

Watch out! You'll get an "educational" warning like I did. I posted a sarcastic comment once and the powers-that-be did not get the joke.

Eagle5 #18 Posted Dec 09 2013 - 14:54

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With a win rate of 68% in his 13 90 I highly doubt he's spending half of matches being useless.

Only one thing matters: Is what you are doing giving your team wins?

That's it.  That's all that matters.  You'll have a lot of idiots come in and try to say other wise, but mostly because they can't figure out how to increase their win rate but figuring out how to pad damage/game is pretty simple by comparison.  Just ignore them like the baddies in the matches.  Whatever you are doing is giving your team wins.  If someone is complaining about something you are doing it's usually because they're under your win rate and don't understand why you are doing what you are doing.

RanKizama #19 Posted Dec 09 2013 - 14:56

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New standards of gameplay man. All scouts and top-tier heavies are required to sit at base and camp. TD's, arty, and mediums lead the charges and scout these days.

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This exact same thing has happened to me.  The in game whiners are typically looking at the action only from their own perspective.  If they aren't seeing targets, they feel it's the scout's fault.  If you preserve yourself to later in the game and perform "mop up" then you get accused of kill stealing and/or cowardice.  OP seems to have the right idea.  Just do the best you can with what you're driving and not get pressured by others who would be better served playing their own tanks.