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Poll: Best Heavy Tank by Tier (541 members have cast votes)

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Tier IV

  1. D.W.2 (Germany) (241 votes [44.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 44.55%

  2. B1 (France) (300 votes [55.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.45%

Tier V

  1. T1 Heavy (USA) (61 votes [11.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.28%

  2. Churchill I (UK) (20 votes [3.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

  3. VK 30.01 H (Germany) (24 votes [4.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.44%

  4. BDR G1 B (France) (33 votes [6.10%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.10%

  5. KV-1 (USSR) (403 votes [74.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 74.49%

Tier VI

  1. M6 (USA) (46 votes [8.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.50%

  2. Churchill VII (UK) (11 votes [2.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.03%

  3. VK 36.01 H (Germany) (27 votes [4.99%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.99%

  4. ARL 44 (France) (22 votes [4.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.07%

  5. KV-1S (USSR) (293 votes [54.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 54.16%

  6. T-150 (USSR) (70 votes [12.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.94%

  7. KV-2 (USSR) (72 votes [13.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.31%

Tier VII

  1. T29 (USA) (341 votes [63.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.03%

  2. Black Prince (UK) (17 votes [3.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.14%

  3. Tiger (P) (Germany) (27 votes [4.99%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.99%

  4. Tiger I (Germany) (63 votes [11.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.65%

  5. AMX M4 45 (France) (6 votes [1.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.11%

  6. IS (USSR) (42 votes [7.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.76%

  7. KV-3 (USSR) (30 votes [5.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.55%

  8. IS-2 (China) (15 votes [2.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.77%

Tier VIII

  1. T32 (USA) (66 votes [12.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.20%

  2. Caernarvon (UK) (11 votes [2.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.03%

  3. VK 45.02 A (Germany) (6 votes [1.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.11%

  4. Tiger II (Germany) (78 votes [14.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.42%

  5. AMX 50 100 (France) (55 votes [10.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.17%

  6. IS-3 (USSR) (250 votes [46.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.21%

  7. KV-4 (USSR) (33 votes [6.10%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.10%

  8. 110 (China) (42 votes [7.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.76%

Tier IX

  1. M103 (USA) (56 votes [10.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.35%

  2. Conqueror (UK) (22 votes [4.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.07%

  3. VK 45.02 B (Germany) (14 votes [2.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.59%

  4. E 75 (Germany) (268 votes [49.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 49.54%

  5. AMX 50 120 (France) (21 votes [3.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.88%

  6. IS-8 (USSR) (41 votes [7.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.58%

  7. ST-I (USSR) (93 votes [17.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.19%

  8. WZ-111 1-4 (China) (26 votes [4.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.81%

Tier X

  1. T57 Heavy (USA) (186 votes [34.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.38%

  2. T110E5 (USA) (109 votes [20.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.15%

  3. FV215b (UK) (17 votes [3.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.14%

  4. Maus (Germany) (26 votes [4.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.81%

  5. E 100 (Germany) (89 votes [16.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.45%

  6. AMX 50 B (France) (17 votes [3.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.14%

  7. IS-7 (USSR) (64 votes [11.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.83%

  8. IS-4 (USSR) (25 votes [4.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.62%

  9. 113 (China) (8 votes [1.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.48%

Tier IV (With Premiums)

  1. Pz.Kpfw. B2 740 (f) (Germany) (279 votes [58.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 58.25%

  2. D.W.2 (Germany) (108 votes [22.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.55%

  3. B1 (France) (92 votes [19.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.21%

Tier V (With Premiums)

  1. T1 Heavy Tank (USA) (43 votes [8.98%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.98%

  2. T14 (USA) (22 votes [4.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.59%

  3. Excelsior (UK) (10 votes [2.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.09%

  4. Churchill I (UK) (10 votes [2.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.09%

  5. VK 30.01 H (Germany) (17 votes [3.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.55%

  6. BDR G1 B (France) (20 votes [4.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.18%

  7. KV-1 (USSR) (254 votes [53.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 53.03%

  8. Churchill III (USSR) (28 votes [5.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.85%

  9. KV-220 (USSR) (75 votes [15.66%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.66%

Tier VI (With Premiums)

  1. M6 (USA) (28 votes [5.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.85%

  2. Churchill VII (UK) (11 votes [2.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.30%

  3. TOG II* (UK) (80 votes [16.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.70%

  4. VK 36.01 H (Germany) (22 votes [4.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.59%

  5. ARL 44 (France) (15 votes [3.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.13%

  6. KV-1S (USSR) (218 votes [45.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.51%

  7. T-150 (USSR) (62 votes [12.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.94%

  8. KV-2 (USSR) (43 votes [8.98%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.98%

Tier VIII Premium

  1. T34 (US) (126 votes [26.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.30%

  2. M6A2E1 (US) (16 votes [3.34%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.34%

  3. Lowe (Germany) (61 votes [12.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.73%

  4. FCM 50 t (France) (29 votes [6.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.05%

  5. IS-6 (USSR) (195 votes [40.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.71%

  6. KV-5 (USSR) (42 votes [8.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.77%

  7. 112 (China) (10 votes [2.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.09%

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_TeMPezT_ #21 Posted Dec 18 2013 - 23:29

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People who choose E-75 doesn't have St-1 or doesn't know how to play it. 

 

The ST-1 has better Pen, ROF and about the same Accuracy. 

 

The Engine Nerf from E-75 hurt its mobility uphill.

 

 

Try shooting this tank at hull down! Its turret, cupola or its side and youll know why its better.



TheRealJulia #22 Posted Dec 19 2013 - 00:06

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- T4: B1

They're both very similar, but the B1 actually has a chance to bounce some shells, the DW2 is paper.

 

As has been noted, though, the p2w version (B2) is better than either... and it only ever sees T4s!

 

- T5: T1 HT.

The Churchill I can take any of the others one-on-one, but its poor mobility means it's less able to react to changing battlefield conditions; the KV-1 is good overall, but eclipsed in pretty much every way by the T1 HT, the BDR has meh armour and terrible RoF/DPM, the VK3001H is a complete joke as a T5 Heavy: it's no longer fast (almost as slow as the Churchill), the armour just isn't there and it has the same DPM as the BDR but without the great alpha: the worst of all worlds.

 

- T6: KV-2.

The KV-2 was and remains a monstrous killing machine, unequalled in its tier. The KV-1S & T-150 are also both very good, the M6 & ARL44 are both quite underrated; the VK3601H was better as a Medium; the Churchill VII is an insufficient upgrade over the Churchill I... and the armour is a lie, terrible T6 Heavy.

 

- T7: T29

The BP looks like another poor upgrade over the Churchill VII on paper, but in practice the armour is quite a bit more effective, pen more appropriate for the tier, acceleration markedly better; both Russians (and Chinese knock-off) are still reliable as ever; the Tiger H is a monster now; the AMX M4 & Tiger P are easily the worst 2.

But anyway, none of them comes close to the T29: invincible turret, great mobility (for a Heavy), T25 AT gun (albeit with lower RoF).

 

- T8: IS-3.

The VK4502A is basically a strictly worse IS-3 (much worse armour, roughly the same mobility, much bigger, worse gun); the T32 is just an uptiered T29 (still quite good, but no longer amazing); 110, KT&Welshy are meh; the KV-4 good but not great; leaving only the AMX 50 100 (autoloader) & IS-3 (great effective armour, great gun, so flat for a Heavy) to compete for the top spot.

 

- T9: IS-8.

Things don't change much between T8&T9: the VK4502 is still the worst Heavy in the tier; the ST-1, although dissimilar in design, works a lot like the KV-4; the E-75 carries the usual "german huge weakspot" (the whole LFP), the IS-8 is slightly less good in its tier than the IS-3 but still works on the same principle, the AMX 50 120 works exactly like a 50 100; the Chinese is still a meh Russian knock-off; the Conqueror isn't too dissimilar from Welshy... only the US tree sees a paradigm shift, with debatable results.

 

- T10: AMX 50 B.

The T57 has a faster time between shots, true... but the AMX is so much more mobile!


Edited by TheRealJulia, Dec 19 2013 - 00:13.


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Play style has a lot to do with determining 'the best tank'.

 

With respect best tier IX, the E-75 in the right hands is an absolute beast, but requires a play style that differs from the say the ST-I. If your play style meshes with the E-75, then you will do well in it. If your play style meshes with the say the ST-I, then you will most likely do better than you might in the E-75.

 

The poster who indicated that the ST-I in a hull-down position is very good, but that the E-75 suffers from a huge weak spot, the entire LFP, well, the E-75 in hull-down does what? Oh yeah! Hides the LFP.



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View PostZapp_Branigan, on Dec 19 2013 - 00:52, said:

Play style has a lot to do with determining 'the best tank'.

 

With respect best tier IX, the E-75 in the right hands is an absolute beast, but requires a play style that differs from the say the ST-I. If your play style meshes with the E-75, then you will do well in it. If your play style meshes with the say the ST-I, then you will most likely do better than you might in the E-75.

 

The poster who indicated that the ST-I in a hull-down position is very good, but that the E-75 suffers from a huge weak spot, the entire LFP, well, the E-75 in hull-down does what? Oh yeah! Hides the LFP.

well to be fair the e75 turret has a weak cupola and cheeks are autopen with gold. e75 lfp is also very good, while the st1 lfp is pretty weak.


Edited by zeroburrito, Dec 19 2013 - 01:18.


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View Postzeroburrito, on Dec 19 2013 - 01:17, said:

well to be fair the e75 turret has a weak cupola and cheeks are autopen with gold. e75 lfp is also very good, while the st1 lfp is pretty weak.

 

Not sure about the ST-I, don't play one, but I know the E-75 can side-scrape with the best of them.



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View PostCostlierZero1, on Dec 18 2013 - 13:24, said:

Hello everyone,

 

I couldn't find a topic for best heavy tank by tier that was up to date, so I decided to make one myself.

Let me know what you think.

  I couldn't pick any for Tier X because you didn't list any of the Tank Destroyers.



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View PostHeadSplit120, on Dec 19 2013 - 01:48, said:

  I couldn't pick any for Tier X because you didn't list any of the Tank Destroyers.

 

Best Heavy Tank by Tier (v8.9)



FartyMcStink #28 Posted Dec 19 2013 - 02:08

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That is 40 seconds of my life I will never get back.

CostlierZero1 #29 Posted Dec 19 2013 - 02:09

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I find it interesting how in each category there is always one that has way more votes than all the others, that there isn't even one tier without a clear winner

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Tier 4: Haven't played the VK, rushed through the B1, never seen either do anything that impressed me, while the tier contains some excellent, game-carrying tanks: T-28, Hetzer, T40, M8A1, M3 Lee (yes, I said it) M5 and Pz38na if you wanna include the scouts, etc. and so forth.

 

TIer 5: T1 HT hands down, although I do believe the KV-1 is a strong second.  Although some people tell me that the BDR is a viable carry-tank, I haven't found it to be so, not so far.  Yes, the gun is excellent in terms of pen and alpha, and acceptable accuracy, the mobility is awful and the armor is nonexistent.  It's able to perform, but is considerably more dependent on teammates than the T1 and KV-1, and considerably less suited for independent work.  The Churchill and Church 3 I've never driven, but only rarely see them do anything I find interesting; I am avoiding the Brit Heavy line just like I'm avoiding the Brit TD line above Tier 5.  The 3001H...is supposedly adequate, but no more than that, and again I've never seen it do much.

 

Tier 6: Everybody knows I'm gonna say M6, and they're right.  M6 BEST TANK, SELA.  ;)  There are a ton of great tanks in Tier 6, however, and all the heavies seem to have their merits.  I have a 3601, and while I haven't made a final decision about keeping it in its present state, it still has strong armor and good guns, and the top speed is still pretty good although it takes a good while to reach it.  The KV-1S is fantastic, although not the equal of the M6 in my book.  Mobility plus alpha equals trollish fun.  The Church 6...well, not so many merits there.  The ARL 44 I still haven't elited, and the bad gun handling combined with middling alpha I'm finding to be a bit annoying, but I will withhold judgement until I get the thing elited and try out both top guns. 

 

Tier 7: I want to call it a tie between the T29 and the Tiger, but at the moment I'm breaking the tie in favor of the T29.  Adequate (although not particularly good) mobility and accuracy combined with the usual American assortment of great aim time, view range, gun handling and gun depression makes the tank a pleasure to drive, and of course the insane turret armor is the strength to leverage.  BP I will reserve judgement on, since some claim that's where the Brit HT line stops sucking.  The Tiger H is a fantastically accurate, hi-pen DPM machine, with solid mobility and awesome gun handling suitable for shooting on the move.  The armor is not great, but a player that knows how to angle properly will at least make same-tier mediums work for their pens and will generate some bounces.  Gun mantlet is at least good and gun depression is fairly decent, so being hull-down is a real possibility, where the DPM can make you a real threat to multiple tanks at medium range.  I'm curious about the IS; it seems neither awful nor a serious match-carrying tank.  Same with the IS-2 now that its gold pen has been nerfed to a sane level.

 

Tier 8: I have only the T32 and KT, both of which are good.  While I have no IS-3, it seems relatively well-balanced with the T32 and KT.  Can't say for sure about the Brit and Chinese.  AMX 50 100 is a beast, although a fragile one.

 

Tier 9: M103 and E 75 seem like the winners at this tier, IMO.  E 75 has trollish armor capable of reliably bouncing same-tier heavies unless they carefully shoot weak spots, while the M103 has an incredibly dangerous gun.

 

Tier 10: I won't say, but the E 100 and E5 seem to dominate among heavies at Tier 10.



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View PostZapp_Branigan, on Dec 18 2013 - 17:55, said:

 

Best Heavy Tank by Tier (v8.9)

You clearly didn't understand what I was saying.



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Just a few general conclusions based on the poll, correct me if I'm wrong-

 

The US line is all halfway decent at the very least. The Tier 7 and 10 tanks stand out as the best but the other tiers all have respectable numbers of votes.

 

The UK line is awful. It received the least amount of votes of any line, with the most votes going to the Tog.

 

The German Tiger (P) line is bad as well. It received about the same amount of votes as the UK line.

 

The German Tiger I line got decent amount of votes in both tier 7 and 8 but shined in tiers 9 and 10.

 

The French line is also bad.

 

The USSR KV-1S line stands out in tiers 6 and 8, but other than not did not recieve many votes.

 

The USSR T-150 line only stood out in tier 9 with the ST-1.

 

The Chinese line is another bad one.

 

The best lines would be the US and Tiger I lines based on consistent votes throughout all tiers.

 

These observations were made just by looking at the results of this poll, tell me what you think of this.


Edited by CostlierZero1, Dec 19 2013 - 03:40.


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The Chinese line is another bad one.

 

Don't dismiss the Chinese tanks just like that :P. Most people just have a general negative opinion about Chinese tanks due to their semblance to Russian Heavies. Having played only up to the t9 though, the 110 and wz111 1-4 have been fun grinds, especially with that last gun.

 

IMO rather then a "knock-off" branch, it's an improvement over what was already a pretty good heavy tank line (IS line).


Edited by Bloodscar, Dec 19 2013 - 04:32.


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View PostGramis, on Dec 18 2013 - 15:52, said:

The number of people who like the kv-4 is too low!

 



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as usual, the KV-1 is brutally overrated.

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View PostTupinambis, on Dec 19 2013 - 04:39, said:

as usual, the KV-1 is brutally overrated.

 

It's only good because of how bad the average pubbie is at fighting it. Otherwise if the gameplay was better at that tier it would be the T1 Heavy imo.



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View PostBloodscar, on Dec 19 2013 - 04:32, said:

Don't dismiss the Chinese tanks just like that :P. Most people just have a general negative opinion about Chinese tanks due to their semblance to Russian Heavies. Having played only up to the t9 though, the 110 and wz111 1-4 have been fun grinds, especially with that last gun.

 

IMO rather then a "knock-off" branch, it's an improvement over what was already a pretty good heavy tank line (IS line).

 

This. The Chinese heavies are criminally underrated at tiers 8 and 9 in this poll. The 110 has what is by far the best frontal armor of any tier 8 heavy and combines it with excellent mobility and a great gun. It is the only Tier 8 heavy, aside from perhaps the KV-4, that can regularly bounce guns with 240mm+ of penetration with relative ease. 

 

It's much the same with the WZ-111 1-4, which combines excellent frontal armor and mobility with an incredibly powerful gun that shoots quite fast for the alpha (490 damage every 12.5ish seconds, compared to the E-75's 14.4ish seconds, assuming both have a rammer).



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View PostTupinambis, on Dec 18 2013 - 23:39, said:

as usual, the KV-1 is brutally overrated.

 

View Post_Bergs_, on Dec 19 2013 - 00:03, said:

 

It's only good because of how bad the average pubbie is at fighting it. Otherwise if the gameplay was better at that tier it would be the T1 Heavy imo.

 

Which is what confuses me.  They aren't any better at fighting a T1 than they are fighting a KV-1, in my opinion.  I've had matches where they repeatedly shoot my tracks and keep me tracked for no damage while I sit there and zap one of them after the other, then repair tracks and move on.



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FWIW the reload on my 111 1-4 with rammer, vents, and a 100% crew without BIA is 11.81 seconds.  Its a beast, I voted for it in tier 9.  As for tier six, I like the KV-1S the best, but it isn't the best tank.  The M6 and T-150 are better overall.  I voted T-150.

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View Postterran3020, on Dec 18 2013 - 21:17, said:

so...i remember when the tiger 2 was considered the best t8...is it because of 8.6 that the is overtook it?

 

It was never, statistically, nor by actual player testimonials, the best T8 heavy. It has always been, and will always be, the low end of the totem pole.







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