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Cpt_Milton #1 Posted Mar 24 2011 - 04:56

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Firstly, I am not sure if this is the right spot for this question, but it is a German heavy so maybe here works (if not, move it to the appropriate section please). Secondly, I have searched the forums and found no other threads about this. K, so now for the question:

       Is the model used for the 10.5 KwK 46 L/68 supposed to be the same as the 8.8 KwK 43 L/71, as is the case in screen A below, or should it be like the model on the Tiger II at 0:24 and again at 0:59 in the video World of Tanks Gameplay #1? I think that the 10.5 should be using the long version like in the video to help distinguih it but both the Tiger II and the VK4502 seem to using the other model whenever I play. Is this just a client side issue or is it supposed to be that way?.

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If this is how it is meant to be, then thanks for clearing it up. If not, then how may I fix it so they use different models?

TigerHawk #2 Posted Mar 24 2011 - 05:01

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Ever since the beginning of the beta the Tiger II's long 105 has been the exact same model/texture as the 88 L71 that it uses. There is no difference.

I believe at one point they were "looking into" making it different but we haven't heard anything on that in a long time.


However I did catch a glimpse of the similar 105 on the Lowe(premium german heavy coming out soon) and it is a bit better gun(more accuracy/pen/damage I think but only slightly) and it looks really good. I'm hoping they implement that design onto the KT. It would look really sweet imo.

Check out the Lowe thread to see what I mean.

Edit: Weird I'd seen that video a few times but never noticed the superlong gun on the KT in a few of the scenes. That could be it. I am defniitely not aware of it. Maybe it's "to come" and that was on an internal test version of the game.

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If you bump the video up to 720p and full screen it, you'll catch this little detail:
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The 88 L/100 was a very old gun that used to be on the 4502 (and apparently the King Tiger), which was scrapped before the game left Russian Closed Beta testing. However, the model of the 88 L/71 on the 4502 is still the 88 L/100 for whatever reason.

Its interesting to see how old the stats are in that gameplay. The Panther's 75 L/70 used to pen over 150, the 88 L/71 used to pen over 230, and the KT had 1700 HP.

Hope that answers your question. If the 105 L/68 gets a new model, it will likely be a beefed-up 88 L/71 model.

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View PostTigerHawk, on Mar 24 2011 - 05:01, said:

Ever since the beginning of the beta the Tiger II's long 105 has been the exact same model/texture as the 88 L71 that it uses. There is no difference.

I believe at one point they were "looking into" making it different but we haven't heard anything on that in a long time.

way back when i was still grinding for the long 105, i found that i preferred mounting the long 88 over the short 105 on the henschel turret due to the very fact that the long 88 looked identical to the long 105.

in close up brawls, enemies of equal tier or less tend to hesitate about charging in just because they can't be sure if i was packing the painful long 105 or just a 'lil sniping 88.

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View PostLuftwaffle, on Mar 24 2011 - 07:20, said:

If you bump the video up to 720p and full screen it, you'll catch this little detail:
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The 88 L/100 was a very old gun that used to be on the 4502 (and apparently the King Tiger), which was scrapped before the game left Russian Closed Beta testing. However, the model of the 88 L/71 on the 4502 is still the 88 L/100 for whatever reason.

Its interesting to see how old the stats are in that gameplay. The Panther's 75 L/70 used to pen over 150, the 88 L/71 used to pen over 230, and the KT had 1700 HP.

Hope that answers your question. If the 105 L/68 gets a new model, it will likely be a beefed-up 88 L/71 model.
Hmmm, so I guess it was on purpose. Still, it would be better if there was a different model to help distinguish the two (right now its just get hit and see how long he takes to reload :lol: ). Thanks for clearing this up guys.

Definitely should be a different model though  *cough* L/100 model *cough*:P

Strange_TW #6 Posted Mar 25 2011 - 04:16

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It's not on purpose, It's a known bug that has been confirmed by overlord, but still hasn't been changed.

Don't count on everyone not being able to distinguish the two. A lot of people mod the long 105 with the long 105 from VK4502, and that makes the long 88 and long 105 very very different.

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The KT actually has two extra gun models in it's folder, here's one of them:
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I'll see if i can dig up the other one.


EDIT: Uh... WTF. There's like 9 gun models in here now.
EDIT2: The others appear to be redundant. Gun_05 is the only one we haven't seen (pictured above).

Cpt_Milton #8 Posted Mar 25 2011 - 13:35

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@nut123456789: Would you mind explaining how they mod it then? I tried to mod it myself but it ended up with both the Long 88 and the Long 105 using the same model again (All I did was switch a few models around, probably not the right fix for it  :P  ).

@Afoxi: Ya, seems like a lot of gun models for a tank that only has three usable guns.:lol:

leonidesalinas #9 Posted Mar 26 2011 - 06:51

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i hope they don't change it. i like how it looks... the long 105 is just... ugly as sin on the King Tiger. that, and it looks historically accurate. it's sexy with it's current model.

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View Postleonidesalinas, on Mar 26 2011 - 06:51, said:

i hope they don't change it. i like how it looks... the long 105 is just... ugly as sin on the King Tiger. that, and it looks historically accurate. it's sexy with it's current model.

But we've never seen the long 105 on the Tiger II...it doesn't have a model. The model showcased above is the leftover 88/L100 model left over from I guess the russian beta.

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Guys i have been fighting this issue back in November. I even PM overload about it, and got replies from him that it was a bug, and that it was to be fixed. In fact it was in the patch notes back then! Then last moment the notes on it disappeared! Ever since then i tried to get them to fix it, but no luck. I have given up on it, sadly. They dont care. Now if you want a work around to it, and would like to add a 105 model to the Tiger 2, follow these instructions:

Ok go in your WOT folder. Probably under Games/wotclosedbeta/res/vehicles/german/g16_PzVIB_TigerII/normal/lod0

Ok once in there. You will find Gun_04.model and Gun_05.model.

You basically just erase the Gun_04.model and rename the Gun_05.model to Gun_04.model.

Now BEFORE you do this, BACKUP your Gun_04 and 05 models. You probably want to have them just in case you want to reverse the process. So:

1. Go to that folder, and copy and paste the 04 and 05 models somewhere else.
2. Go to that folder, and erase the model 4, and rename model 5 to model 4.
3. Do the EXACT same thing, but instead of going under NORMAL folder, go under CRASH folder. (This is because when you die, and your tank is a wreck it will show the correct gun).
3a. So go in the tiger2/crash/lod0 and backup the same model 4 and 5 guns, and then erase the gun 4, and rename the 5 to the 4.
4. DONE!

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View PostMastoras, on Mar 27 2011 - 16:33, said:

Guys i have been fighting this issue back in November. I even PM overload about it, and got replies from him that it was a bug, and that it was to be fixed. In fact it was in the patch notes back then! Then last moment the notes on it disappeared! Ever since then i tried to get them to fix it, but no luck. I have given up on it, sadly. They dont care. Now if you want a work around to it, and would like to add a 105 model to the Tiger 2, follow these instructions:

Ok go in your WOT folder. Probably under Games/wotclosedbeta/res/vehicles/german/g16_PzVIB_TigerII/normal/lod0

Ok once in there. You will find Gun_04.model and Gun_05.model.

You basically just erase the Gun_04.model and rename the Gun_05.model to Gun_04.model.

Now BEFORE you do this, BACKUP your Gun_04 and 05 models. You probably want to have them just in case you want to reverse the process. So:

1. Go to that folder, and copy and paste the 04 and 05 models somewhere else.
2. Go to that folder, and erase the model 4, and rename model 5 to model 4.
3. Do the EXACT same thing, but instead of going under NORMAL folder, go under CRASH folder. (This is because when you die, and your tank is a wreck it will show the correct gun).
3a. So go in the tiger2/crash/lod0 and backup the same model 4 and 5 guns, and then erase the gun 4, and rename the 5 to the 4.
4. DONE!

What model does this use? The long one in the pictures above? Cause I just said that isn't a 105mm, that is an 88mm model. The Tiger II does NOT have a long 105 gun model. It doesn't exist anywhere. At best you would have to use the one from the VK4502, but does that even have a different model for the 105 from the long 88? I don't even know.

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It looks like the picture you posted, its similar look to the long 105 on the vk4502. Wether thats a true 105 for the tiger 2, honestly, i dont care anymore. We both know the devs wont get around to fixing it anytime in the near future.

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I think the right model for the long 105 is just amazing. It looks so much better in my opinion. And skins make the KT look even better to play with :D

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View Posthawaiiandude241, on Apr 10 2011 - 07:22, said:

I think the right model for the long 105 is just amazing. It looks so much better in my opinion. And skins make the KT look even better to play with :D

*pics*

Except that isn't the "right" model. There is no "right" model, it doesn't exist. That is a model for the 88/L100 that was in the early Russian beta. The gun doesn't exist in the game at all but for whatever reason they never removed the model.

Honestly, common sense, people. The 88mm is L71 and the long 105 is L68, how in the hell would an L68 appear to be longer than the L71? That is pretty much why they just reused the 88mm model because it is approximately the same length so looks "accurate" even though the barrel should be much wider.

But yeah, that model is from an 88mm L100 gun that no longer exists in the game but was on the KT in the early Russian beta. It is NOT a 105mm. They never made a 105mm L68 model for the Tiger II.

I've said it three freaking times in this thread alone already, read!

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Heard that there are new gun models with the 6.4 patch in the Russian test server.
Does anyone have screens how they look in-game? The guns were modelled for Vk4502 , Ferdin and KT.

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View PostWojtQ759, on Apr 10 2011 - 09:01, said:

Heard that there are new gun models with the 6.4 patch in the Russian test server.
Does anyone have screens how they look in-game? The guns were modelled for Vk4502 , Ferdin and KT.

First I've heard of it.

If true, I wanna see too.....guess I should go to the russian forums, prolly a thread about it there.

Edit: all I could find so far.
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View PostTigerHawk, on Apr 10 2011 - 09:10, said:

First I've heard of it.

If true, I wanna see too.....guess I should go to the russian forums, prolly a thread about it there.

Edit: Found this post about it so far, will look for better pictures

http://forum.worldof...ost__p__2284230

Weird it doesn't bring you directly to the post like it should...but if you scroll up the page you'll see a post with spoiler tags.

Well so far it looks like a thicker 88 without that hydraulic part of the gun just under the mantlet.
Cant wait to see the rest of them. :Smile-playing:

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View PostTigerHawk, on Apr 10 2011 - 08:40, said:

Honestly, common sense, people. The 88mm is L71 and the long 105 is L68, how in the hell would an L68 appear to be longer than the L71? That is pretty much why they just reused the 88mm model because it is approximately the same length so looks "accurate" even though the barrel should be much wider.


err 88 x 71 = 6248 and 105 x 68 = 7140 so it should be longer

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View PostTigerHawk, on Apr 10 2011 - 08:40, said:

Honestly, common sense, people. The 88mm is L71 and the long 105 is L68, how in the hell would an L68 appear to be longer than the L71? That is pretty much why they just reused the 88mm model because it is approximately the same length so looks "accurate" even though the barrel should be much wider.
The "L" number is the length of the barrel in its own calibers. ie. 88mm L/71 means the gun is 71 x 88mm long, and 105mm L/68 would be 68 x 105mm long. Quite a big difference.