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Sputter #41 Posted Apr 01 2011 - 20:50

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its hard to tell sometimes cause some people are truly serious about this stuff.

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View PostSputter, on Apr 01 2011 - 20:37, said:

its amazing the stuff people make up and think that is so far from true lol, fyi the t-34 wasn't the war machine you think it is, need to learn a bit more about tank history instead of just believeing everything first off

I really hope you're better at spotting tanks in-game than you are at spotting a joke in real life.

luwinkle #43 Posted Apr 01 2011 - 22:06

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View PostUltramarine212, on Apr 01 2011 - 08:40, said:

So? You used an RTS to back up your example, how is using a FPS suddenly invalid?

If you would read..you'd notice that I canceled out my example because Relic is Canadian. ;)

WarWolverineWarrior #44 Posted Apr 01 2011 - 22:11

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Cutting Corners:
In today's world that's how they do it with cars. They calculate if it's cheaper to get sued or it's cheaper to recall a car. Then they act accordingly.

141Haruna #45 Posted Apr 01 2011 - 22:24

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View PostWarWolverineWarrior, on Apr 01 2011 - 22:11, said:

Cutting Corners:
In today's world that's how they do it with cars. They calculate if it's cheaper to get sued or it's cheaper to recall a car. Then they act accordingly.

See, that's exactly what I'm talking about.  In Russia, the car manufacturers would be calculating whether it'd be more painful to get shot by a commissar or beaten to death by an enraged mob of accident victim families.

Tzimon #46 Posted Apr 01 2011 - 22:37

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View PostTpainT, on Mar 31 2011 - 19:17, said:

Just give up and go to the Russian line. I shelved my T34 (just need the T30 unlock for elite) for a IS-4 (elite except for the IS-7) and I could not be any happier. The entire American heavy line is just too frustrating to be fun.

I've done the same, maybe we should start a support group?

SgtNuker #47 Posted Apr 01 2011 - 22:42

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Yet another uncalled for nerf of the American tree, brought to you by the boys in red............... :Smile-hiding:

luwinkle #48 Posted Apr 01 2011 - 22:42

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If I play at all after release I plan on going straight down the russian Heavy..I've had more fun with my KV1 with the bigass gun than any other tank from any other side.  Even more fun than my upgraded Panther.

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View Postluwinkle, on Apr 01 2011 - 22:42, said:

If I play at all after release I plan on going straight down the russian Heavy..I've had more fun with my KV1 with the bigass gun than any other tank from any other side.  Even more fun than my upgraded Panther.

Welcome Comrade, here is your fur coat,your Ushanka, and your party badge.  Wear them with pride.

Tzimon #50 Posted Apr 01 2011 - 22:55

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View PostOverlord, on Mar 31 2011 - 20:53, said:

I wonder what you would say when you see full patch notes for v.0.6.4. There will be a much more substantial rebalancing.

Overlord, you've stated...

T-32 is over performing and will be "adjusted"
T-34 is comparable to other T9 Heavies
T-54 is underpowered compared to the other T9 mediums.

This pretty much indicates that all American "end game content" in your "MMO" are to remain pretty much the same or "adjusted" downward.  While I appreciate that the devs are going back and throw us a couple bones in the lower tiers to make the American tree feel less like it was thrown together as an afterthought.  For some players (myself and the friends I play with) we are all looking at months down the road.  We want to feel like our time invested in this game will result in a rewarding end game experience.  Based on your comments in the last few days regarding top tier American tanks, I don't feel that we will be getting that warm fuzzy feeling at the end of the American tree.

Will I still play WoT?  Yes
Is it still a good game? Yes
Would I recommend any of my friends to play anything but Russian tanks? No

This is very unfortunate because IMO it really takes away from the game.  I really don't want to see only IS-4, T-54 and objects in my games 5-6 months from now but sadly, this what I see a lot of today with T-54s and it will only get much worse after the server wipe.

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View PostTzimon, on Apr 01 2011 - 22:55, said:

Overlord, you've stated...

T-32 is over performing and will be "adjusted"
T-34 is comparable to other T9 Heavies
T-54 is underpowered compared to the other T9 mediums.

This pretty much indicates that all American "end game content" in your "MMO" are to remain pretty much the same or "adjusted" downward.  While I appreciate that the devs are going back and throw us a couple bones in the lower tiers to make the American tree feel less like it was thrown together as an afterthought.  For some players (myself and the friends I play with) we are all looking at months down the road.  We want to feel like our time invested in this game will result in a rewarding end game experience.  Based on your comments in the last few days regarding top tier American tanks, I don't feel that we will be getting that warm fuzzy feeling at the end of the American tree.

Will I still play WoT?  Yes
Is it still a good game? Yes
Would I recommend any of my friends to play anything but Russian tanks? No

This is very unfortunate because IMO it really takes away from the game.  I really don't want to see only IS-4, T-54 and objects in my games 5-6 months from now but sadly, this what I see a lot of today with T-54s and it will only get much worse after the server wipe.

You are twisting things actually,
1) T32 is overperforming. That's true.
2) T34 is ok mostly, but we do have some ideas how to improve the situation.
3) T-54 is ok. The gap is not that big to be seen to.

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View PostOverlord, on Mar 31 2011 - 20:53, said:

I wonder what you would say when you see full patch notes for v.0.6.4. There will be a much more substantial rebalancing.

Sounds good.  I have pre-ordered at this point.
I do intend to stick to American line, for now.

I am in the T34, am nearly to Elite.  I am no expert, but I feel I have learned a lot about playing this game in my 1900+ games.
When EVERY match with T54's begins, there are nothing but complaints in the chat from the other side, there is some problem.
It is not perceived. A good T54 driver will turn the game around if not dealt with effectively.

Stats don't always tell the full story. What stats are you using?  Do you look at bounces?  That is my biggest gripe about the T54.  It is too hard to damage.  I know there are places to hit them effectively.  If I catch one fighting another tank, and manage to put 3 rounds in the side, it is as good as dead.  But there are no tanks that will fair well against a T54.  Put 4 in the game, and the match is lost as soon as it starts, if good drivers are in all 4 T54s.  The turret seems impenetrable.  The hull should be nerfed somewhere on the front.  

As far as stats go, can you see how many hits per kill the T54 gets compared to other tanks with similar HP's? That would be a great indicator.  If the T54 is hit 18 times, on average, before it is killed, and the Panther II, or the Pershing are hit 11 times, on average, before being killed, that would demonstrate a problem in balancing tanks.  

We are  going up against 1950's T54's, with 1930's German designs, and 1940's US designs.

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View PostOverlord, on Apr 02 2011 - 15:22, said:

You are twisting things actually,
1) T32 is overperforming. That's true.
2) T34 is ok mostly, but we do have some ideas how to improve the situation.
3) T-54 is ok. The gap is not that big to be seen to.

Somehow I don't think I can believe you, Overlord. Even if you would put up stats to help further your point, the manner in which those statistics are gathered is rather blind to the skill of a player (or a group of players). Up until the last patch, the T29 had it good. Then because it had something like a 14-15% win ratio over the "glorious" IS and the boxy Tiger, it was nerfed to the point where it isn't that much fun to play. Any experienced tanker will tell you that the T29's weakness is its hull. Shoot the hull, or the side and rear of the turret, never the front.

Now the T32 is getting the same nerf bat treatment. It has even thicker turret armour, and slightly thicker front armour on the hull, yet the sides and rear of the hull remain the same as the T29/T34/T30. Knowing one's tank and enemy are key to success. If you throw a bunch of relatively inexperienced tankers against T29 tankers with a moderate understanding of their tank, 9 times out of 10, those in the T29 will come out on top.

Leisure_Shoot #55 Posted Apr 02 2011 - 18:11

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View PostSgtNuker, on Apr 02 2011 - 17:53, said:

If you throw a bunch of relatively inexperienced tankers against T29 tankers with a moderate understanding of their tank, 9 times out of 10, those in the T29 will come out on top.


Eloquently put.  I do believe that many, many tankers got into T54's and so they have lower win ratio due to poor tactics, not poor tank design.

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View PostTzimon, on Apr 01 2011 - 22:55, said:

This is very unfortunate because IMO it really takes away from the game.  I really don't want to see only IS-4, T-54 and objects in my games 5-6 months from now but sadly, this what I see a lot of today with T-54s and it will only get much worse after the server wipe.


Very true. I love my American Heavy line, but am seriously contemplating going to Russian line after wipe.

darkterren #57 Posted Apr 02 2011 - 19:14

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Been putting a lot of thought into the nerf after calming down a bit realized we have no info on what part is nerfed on it prolly the rof but overlord said there is a lot of balanceing taking place in the patch so will wait and see what happens besides we will do what humans do best overcome and adapted will still play usa besides I'm one of the crazy few that like the lee;) overlord possible to get any more info on what else is being balanced

SpectreHD #58 Posted Apr 02 2011 - 19:33

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If ROF is nerfed(I can live with 6 RPM), then the T32 needs to at least have its terrain passability back. It is around 60 tons with a good engine but in some grounds, it can barely move particularly the ground in the canyon of Lakesville.

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It is possible that the T29 and T32 are being nerfed in RoF so their dps is lowered, so that the 105mm gun can be buffed in order to make the T34's exp grind more bearable.

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View PostSputter, on Apr 01 2011 - 20:37, said:

its amazing the stuff people make up and think that is so far from true lol, fyi the t-34 wasn't the war machine you think it is, need to learn a bit more about tank history instead of just believeing everything first off


Really???  Is that why The Military Channel rated the T-34 as the #1 greatest tank of all time? I guess The Military Channel is making that up though.




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