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lujunlin001 #1 Posted Jan 07 2014 - 05:35

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I just found some interesting article about the development of Chinese tanks and i tried to translate them. But because of my poor  translation skill , i just translated the HT part and i tried to avoid the unnecessary parts.

 

In early 1950s ,soviet IS2 tanks were exported China , PLA were impressed by it's excellent firepower and protection.So the initial  heavy tank development program of China was be based on IS2. Some factory with rich experience in repairing IS2 proposed the 110 project , it was based on the IS2 tank with reinforced frontal hull with a plate configuration resembling that of the IS3 and a well  sloped and better protected new turret . But the 122mm D25t gun on IS2 didn't meet the need of PLA in late 1950s and the  research of new 122mm  gun wasn't finished ,so the project was paused. 

In early 1960s,  PLA decided to make a new heavy tank which is able to fight against soviet T10 and US m103. Two projects were  proposed , 111 and 112 , and PLA decided to develop the 111 project and the tank was renamed as WZ111.(well... There’s a sentence i really don’t know how to translate :  “111采用负重轮加拖带轮,箭矢首上设计。112采用大直径负重轮,无拖带轮(似乎采用常规首上)” it’s about the differences of suspension and frontal armor on 111 and 112 )  , WZ111 was planned to use a 720HP engine in order to get a speed limit at 45~50km/h and a new 122mm gun , a prototype of WZ111 wan produced in 1960 ,but the research of 720HP engine and the turret was not finished ,so the prototype only got a 520HP engine and a fake turret to test the suspension . The design of WZ111 totally improved 5 times so there is 6 models of the tank ,they have different frontal armor and suspension . (I don’t think WG can show the differences between these models ,and.......where is the 6th model ? Even in 8.2 patch there’s only model 1~4 and 5A . The premium WZ111 is the 6th one? ) In late 1960s WZ111 was discontinued because of the problem of technology  and the development of main battle tank. 

 

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113 is probably the last HT project PLA developed ,while many people think it’s a main battle tank instead of a heavy tank .113 was based on the improved version of 112 and combined with the technology of type 59(suspension and the location of the engine) and WZ111 ,113 got a more compact chassis comparing to WZ111 and mobility was greatly improved, chinese engineers  plan to mount the 130mm type 59 field gun on the tank .(it’s weird that in the real history ,the WZ111 mounts a 122mm gun and 113 mounts the 130mm gun while in the game 111 got the  130mm gun and 113 got the 122mm gun )       (AND another sentence about suspension i dont know how translate,sorry:sad:  :113负重轮也终于做到了一边6个,并且采用了59的大直径负重轮无托带轮设计)

As for the HT branch of Chinese tech tree i suggest to put WZ111 5A on the end of WZ111 branch ,and made a new 113 branch (because there’s little connection between WZ111 and 113 ,and I really want WZ111 5A return to the game simply because 113 looks ugly ) 

 WZ-111 branch (or “pike nose” branch): 110-----WZ111 1-4-------WZ 111 5A  

 113 branch:  110----112 model B -----113

(in fact i really want to put 112 on the place of 110 because 112 and 113 have normal upper plate while 110 have “pike nose ” upper plate ,some Chinese player suggest to put a tank called “110 2/130” on the place of 110 in 113 branch but i don’t get much  information about he tank :it is another design for 110 project , basically a IS2 with thicker and well sloped frontal armor。But why do  they call them 110-2/130 ? It mounts a 130mm gun ?) 



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View Postlujunlin001, on Jan 07 2014 - 01:05, said:

in fact i really want to put 112 on the place of 110

 

Oh god no. 



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Interesting...

Dominatus #4 Posted Jan 07 2014 - 20:53

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Post the source, please?

lujunlin001 #5 Posted Jan 08 2014 - 00:25

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View PostDominatus, on Jan 07 2014 - 20:53, said:

Post the source, please?

Oh!  I forgot it :smiles:

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2082270787#27885055493l

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2086694352

And something from magazines 

 

View PostRavenChain, on Jan 07 2014 - 05:39, said:

 

Oh god no. 

Because you bought the premium 112 right ?:trollface:  I think 112 should be a non-premium tank because they already made WZ-111(premium version) as a chinese premium heavy but they still made 112 to be a premium because they want to make more money;(



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My apologies for possible ignorance, but what exactly is the 112 Model B? 

lujunlin001 #7 Posted Jan 08 2014 - 05:03

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View PostSlakrrrrrr, on Jan 08 2014 - 03:53, said:

My apologies for possible ignorance, but what exactly is the 112 Model B? 

The improved version of 112 with new turret and better engine design . It's a design between the first model of 112 and 113.



Mechanize #8 Posted Jan 08 2014 - 06:13

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111采用负重轮加拖带轮,箭矢首上设计。112采用大直径负重轮,无拖带轮(似乎采用常规首上 = 111 uses road wheels + track carrier roller, and an arrowhead shaped frontal top armour design. 112 uses larger diameter road wheels with no rollers ( seems to be using regular frontal top armour)

 

"Frontal Top" would be the Frontal Hull, the Arrowhead shape is referring to the similarity to the IS-3's frontal hull shape.

 

 



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113 = ultimate super scout and fail heavy.

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View Postlujunlin001, on Jan 07 2014 - 19:55, said:

Because you bought the premium 112 right ?:trollface:  I think 112 should be a non-premium tank because they already made WZ-111(premium version) as a chinese premium heavy but they still made 112 to be a premium because they want to make more money;(

 

No because the 112 is god awful and the 110 is amazing.



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View PostRavenChain, on Jan 08 2014 - 06:45, said:

 

No because the 112 is god awful and the 110 is amazing.

Well... i mean , i just want to replace the 110 with 112 in the 113 branch, i don't want to delete the 110 in WZ-111 branch 

View PostMechanize, on Jan 08 2014 - 06:13, said:

111采用负重轮加拖带轮,箭矢首上设计。112采用大直径负重轮,无拖带轮(似乎采用常规首上 = 111 uses road wheels + track carrier roller, and an arrowhead shaped frontal top armour design. 112 uses larger diameter road wheels with no rollers ( seems to be using regular frontal top armour)

 

"Frontal Top" would be the Frontal Hull, the Arrowhead shape is referring to the similarity to the IS-3's frontal hull shape.

 

 

Thanks a lot!



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No problem, also I missed the second line, so here you go.

 

113负重轮也终于做到了一边6个,并且采用了59的大直径负重轮无托带轮设计 = 113's road wheels are also designed with 6 on each side, and the 113 uses the Type 59's larger diameter road wheels with no rollers.

 


Edited by Mechanize, Jan 09 2014 - 05:02.


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Hi, do you know any candidates for a tier 5 Chinese heavy tank? How about tier 5 and 6? Tier 5 Chinese heavy tank will be very interesting.

lujunlin001 #14 Posted Jan 20 2014 - 01:46

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View PostSparkykun, on Jan 16 2014 - 02:53, said:

Hi, do you know any candidates for a tier 5 Chinese heavy tank? How about tier 5 and 6? Tier 5 Chinese heavy tank will be very interesting.

I'm not sure,because Chinese heavy tank development was based on the is-2. But some sources state that during the Korean war, PLA modified some T-34-85 to let them get thicker armor(frontal armor is about 80--90 mm)but i think the tank can only be a premium heavy(or slow medium?) in wot. Because there's little differences between this tank and T-34-85



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View Postlujunlin001, on Jan 19 2014 - 19:46, said:

I'm not sure,because Chinese heavy tank development was based on the is-2. But some sources state that during the Korean war, PLA modified some T-34-85 to let them get thicker armor(frontal armor is about 80--90 mm)but i think the tank can only be a premium heavy(or slow medium?) in wot. Because there's little differences between this tank and T-34-85

 

T-34-85 with field armor is more like an alternate hull for the tank, and cannot really be classified as a heavy. Depends on the amount of armor fitted, it might be less different than between Sherman Jumbo and Easy Eight. 

 

It is better if there is a proposal for tier 5 Chinese heavy, though we understand it is all right if none is found. 







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