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Major_Rampage #1 Posted Jan 14 2014 - 23:35

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Howdy Tankers!

 

As you know we are currently On Track to the Jagdpanzer E 100.  While you are On Track you might also find our On Track Premium Shop Bundles helpful.

 

I know we have some amazing history buffs here in the NA World of Tanks community.  I have seen you folks pull out seldom know fact about tanks.  

 

Does anyone have any interesting historic facts or stories they would  like to share about the tanks involved in our current On Track to the Jadgpanzer E 100?  

 

Note:  This is a strictly moderated thread.



Daigensui #2 Posted Jan 19 2014 - 22:50

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There were plans to make a Sturmgeschütz (assault gun) based on on the E 100 chassis, with both 15 cm and 17 cm guns being considered. The Jg.Pz. E 100 in WoT is based on the 17 cm gun version.

 



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Yes yes yes!!! MY BODY IS READY!!!! Time to play the hell out of my JP2.

Xlucine #4 Posted Jan 19 2014 - 22:53

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Why don't we have the 150mm version, since that one would be most likely to see production?

Silentstalker2 #5 Posted Jan 19 2014 - 22:55

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Jagdpanzer E-100 in its current form is Wargaming invention, as noone really knows what it would have looked like. Given the weight distribution, this is how it probably looked (rear casemate, although middle casemate á la Jagdtiger is also concievable), but the original mockup, drawings or anything else were not saved. Strangely enough wiki still has that crap about the E-100 tank (!) being equipped with the 17cm gun, I really wonder where that garbage came from.

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View PostSilentstalker2, on Jan 19 2014 - 13:55, said:

I really wonder where that garbage came from.

 

They would read what I just posted and focus only on 17 cm while ignoring on what that gun was to be used.



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View PostXlucine, on Jan 19 2014 - 22:53, said:

Why don't we have the 150mm version, since that one would be most likely to see production?

 

Probably balance. Plus, given the state the Reich was around the time this project was concieved (late war), neither of these guns is "more likely", both seem equal fantasy. It's highly unlikely that this project would continue even if Germany was in better shape, it was simply too impractical and probably was intented as another contract grab.



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View PostXlucine, on Jan 19 2014 - 15:53, said:

Why don't we have the 150mm version, since that one would be most likely to see production?

 

We already have enough tier 10 TD's with 15ish MM guns.



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An interesting thing though, this design was clearly a Sturmgeschütz, where did the Jagdpanzer designation come from?

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View PostSilentstalker2, on Jan 19 2014 - 13:58, said:

An interesting thing though, this design was clearly a Sturmgeschütz, where did the Jagdpanzer designation come from?

Probably because anyone who read "StuG E-100" would think it was referring to this "historically accurate design":

 



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View PostSilentstalker2, on Jan 19 2014 - 13:58, said:

An interesting thing though, this design was clearly a Sturmgeschütz, where did the Jagdpanzer designation come from?

 

Jg. Pz. IV, Jagdpanther, Jagdpanther II, Jagdtiger..... all Jagds.



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the jp e 100 was pretty much something the germans just stuck a hull case and gun on it and called it a td. it also had a more reasonable td know as the Krokodil which was also based on the the same hull but it looked a bit more like a jagpanther just a lot bigger and the big gun like the jp's. the design was considered unreasonable though because of the suspension strain and the weight was not equal (it was very front heavy a more reasonable trench digger then a td) 

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View Postcp2013, on Jan 19 2014 - 23:18, said:

the jp e 100 was pretty much something the germans just stuck a hull case and gun on it and called it a td. it also had a more reasonable td know as the Krokodil which was also based on the the same hull but it looked a bit more like a jagpanther just a lot bigger and the big gun like the jp's. the design was considered unreasonable though because of the suspension strain and the weight was not equal (it was very front heavy a more reasonable trench digger then a td) 

 

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View PostSilentstalker2, on Jan 19 2014 - 15:21, said:

*facepalm*

 

Howdy Silentstalker2 thanks for coming to participate in the conversation,  but let's please keep the conversation constructive.  I have no problem with folks disagreeing,  or correcting one another,  but let's keep it constructive please.



Silentstalker2 #15 Posted Jan 19 2014 - 23:36

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View PostMajor_Rampage, on Jan 19 2014 - 23:29, said:

 

Howdy Silentstalker2 thanks for coming to participate in the conversation,  but let's please keep the conversation constructive.  I have no problem with folks disagreeing,  or correcting one another,  but let's keep it constructive please.

 

Hi, very well...

 

View Postcp2013, on Jan 19 2014 - 23:18, said:

the jp e 100 was pretty much something the germans just stuck a hull case and gun on it and called it a td. it also had a more reasonable td know as the Krokodil which was also based on the the same hull but it looked a bit more like a jagpanther just a lot bigger and the big gun like the jp's. the design was considered unreasonable though because of the suspension strain and the weight was not equal (it was very front heavy a more reasonable trench digger then a td) 

 

Okay, I will write it politely then. Krokodil is a complete fake, there nevery was such a vehicle project, it was invented by some modellers long after the war.



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Seeing as how the JgPz E-100 isn't the only tank involved in the "On Track to the Jagdpanzer E-100" event, we can also discuss the Jagdpanther II:

 



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View PostSlakrrrrrr, on Jan 19 2014 - 17:41, said:

Seeing as how the JgPz E-100 isn't the only tank involved in the "On Track to the Jagdpanzer E-100" event, we can also discuss the Jagdpanther II:

 

The Jagdpanther II that wasn't actually the Jagdpanther II? 

 

The actual Jagdpanther II was a '43 project based on the Panther II chassis. It had the same layout as the Jagdpanther as well as the same gun. It was cancelled when the Panther II was cancelled in mid '43.

 

WG's Jagdpanther II is what you posted(Jagdpanther mit. 128 cm PaK 80) which has a Panther II chassis for some unknown reason.



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View PostSilentstalker2, on Jan 19 2014 - 15:36, said:

 

Hi, very well...

 

 

Okay, I will write it politely then. Krokodil is a complete fake, there nevery was such a vehicle project, it was invented by some modellers long after the war.

Do you have a source on this?  A bit of googling for me does show a lot of models based on this,  and a few articles refuting them as well,  but neither in my brief search pulling up any references.  



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View PostPriory_of_Sion, on Jan 19 2014 - 23:45, said:

The Jagdpanther II that wasn't actually the Jagdpanther II? 

 

The actual Jagdpanther II was a '43 project based on the Panther II chassis. It had the same layout as the Jagdpanther as well as the same gun. It was cancelled when the Panther II was cancelled in mid '43.

 

WG's Jagdpanther II is what you posted(Jagdpanther mit. 128 cm PaK 80) which has a Panther II chassis for some unknown reason.

 

Yes, that's what I think too. The picture above is a part of October 1944 re-arm ("Umbewaffnung") program.



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View PostMajor_Rampage, on Jan 19 2014 - 17:45, said:

Do you have a source on this?  A bit of googling for me does show a lot of models based on this,  and a few articles refuting them as well,  but neither in my brief search pulling up any references.  

Overlord's Interview with Hilary Doyle is a good place to start.






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