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Valan #181 Posted Jan 19 2014 - 13:15

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Lert, by chance have you heard the Chieftain's nerf & buff comments about how Wargaming approaches it, in the RitaGamer2 - Q&A with SilentStalker & Chieftain?

Listen between the 31 minute mark to 1 hour mark for it.

 

In essence Wargaming researchers find new tank data, then later in Minsk Storm, Serb & Vallter decide when & how to nerf and or buff 'a whole line at a line', if Chieftain's comments on RitaGamer2's stream are accurate.  In particular the Chieftain, sent off a suggestion to Minsk for the USA T18 td and T57 arty to be switched: T18 becoming an arty; T57 becoming an td.  Chieftain did not say if that suggestion was taken up to be implemented, by Storm & Serb or not.  In the nutshell, the idea of doing buffs or nerfs for 'a whole line at a time' is the takeaway.

 

In terms the Cheiftain's stream comments being applied to patch 8.11, this likely means the following tank lines will be altered:

 

T110E3  to Wolverine, to T18

T110E4  to T49, to T18

Object 268 to AT-1

 



ConchitaWurst #182 Posted Jan 19 2014 - 13:21

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View PostStormDragonx9, on Jan 19 2014 - 04:35, said:

One fix I would love to see is the death while firing issue:

Meaning you fire just as a shot kills you. Your shot will not register at all then when you die. Have had this happen 3 times in the past 2 nights and like to see this fixed since its not an accurate presentation of reality.

 

It does register if you sent the shell before you die. I've done it many times

 

So be sure your shell actually left the barrel. Usually it hasn't, because what you think you did isn't what the game saw due to latency and processing time.



ValveGod #183 Posted Jan 19 2014 - 17:54

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There's a limit on how many scouts are on a team.

 

There's a limit on how many arty pieces are on a team.

 

Why not limit the amount of TD's on a team?

 

Specialized classes like the above should never make up the majority of a team.



Havoc199 #184 Posted Jan 19 2014 - 18:26

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I don't know how I feel about the changes to the td's. Its a buff/nerf situation depending on your approach to alpha amd dpm.

 

The change in the obj 268 shell is greay news. 450 pen is ridiculous.  Enough to waft shells through upper plates angled on a maus. 

 

No bl10 isnt being touched for those who altho it really should be. 

 

Foch isnt really op. People just cry. It's got a lot of weaknesses to counter it's  advantages. 

 

crying about wt e100 is even mire ridículo.  It has massive setbacks. The whole point of it is to be a glass cannon. You don't see people crying about amx 50 100 tho it has tier for tier a better gun than the wt e100.  Better pen for it's tier. The best of all the heaviea. While the wt e100 has one of the lowest if not the lowest of all the tier the10 tds. 

 

The amount of tds on a team needs to be limited.  Same as scouts and arty. They are specialists not tanks. This would probably fix current issues and no one has to have thier tank messed with.

 

Also acout matchmaking needs a re work. Tier 4 scouts are almost pointless in a tier 8 game. I think they just need to not be able to get top tier. So a tier 4 scout can meet up to 6 but it can't be top tier. This would fix a lot of problems.  Currently many scouts going into games are outclassed as scouts by the mesiums etc. There is no point in a 360 view range scout in a tier 8 game where the mediums have 380 and havies have 400.

 

 

 



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View PostA_Defenseless_Kitten, on Jan 16 2014 - 02:45, said


National battle mode?

just usa, German and Russian but that's ok lol french wouldn't be a problem if it had more med tanks

Should be Axis v Aliies mode instead of National.



VariaVespasa #186 Posted Jan 19 2014 - 21:44

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View PostTK3600, on Jan 16 2014 - 10:37, said:

Obj. 268 and Foch 155 are OP, but no where as close as WT E100. I guess they are waiting for noobs to catch up so they can nerf it right when they unlock it.

You ARE aware, are you not,  that of the 32 regular tier 10 tanks, the Foch is #5, behind both the E3 and the 263 by a full 2/3 of a point, and the waffle100 is #10 by over 2 full percentage points lower than the Foch and continuing to drop?  The waffle did NOT have a good win rate because its so vastly overpowered- it had a good win rate because its mostly good players who were playing it since they were the ones who were able to get it first, but those players will eat your face regardless of what theyre driving.   As "normal" and "fail to the top" players start getting it too as time goes on, its true ranking is coming out, and its nowhere near as good as you think.  Same reason the tier 8-10 japanese tanks are rated so highly  (#2 for tiers 7 and 9, #1 at tiers 8 and 10)- its the good players who were able to get them first. 

 

Hard data- its a bitch.  :)



Abacab81 #187 Posted Jan 19 2014 - 22:02

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View PostJudZuechler, on Jan 16 2014 - 03:26, said:

8.11? are you kidding? why the flaming hell am i sitting here waiting for 9.0 when WT groundforces are about to be released?


Then go play WT..... whatever

 



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View PostLert, on Jan 16 2014 - 01:24, said:

Source

 

Highlights:

 

- New urban winter map.

- 150mm and 152mm tier 10 TD guns nerf, from 850 damage to 750 damage, but DPM remains the same.

- 130mm and 170mm tier 10 TD guns will remain untouched.

- Foch 155 loses the 1200 hp engine, keeps the 1000 one.

- Object 268 HEAT shell 'significantly' nerfed.

- National battle mode. Japanese and chinese tanks not available for this mode, as they don't have a complete tree yet.

- Tweaks to Erlenberg, Redshire, Northwest and Highway.

- New Bigworld engine. Probably still no proper multicore support though. This update is mostly just an ease-of-development update.

- Transferring and retraining crews from one vehicle to the next will become easier. Note: easier =/= cheaper.

- Chat history log, option to turn chat off completely.

- Purchased camouflages and emblems will be stored instead of destroyed when buying new ones.

- 'Tank on fire' more obvious by way of icon similar to 'tank drowning' icon.

- Option to turn 'this is the tank that killed you' screen off. Finally.

 

National Battle Mode - Cool.  Been looking forward to this mode for a long, long time now.

 

Map Tweaks - We'll see how that turns out...

 

Turning Chat Off - Hopefully, this will cut down significantly the amount of "Stop Being Mean to Me!" threads from certain individuals...

 

Storing Replaced Camos and Emblems - A surprising and unusually considerate thing for WG to implement.  Nice thought.

 

Tank on Fire - Kind of a no-brainer here.  However, most vets who've played enough matches quickly notice when they're on fire.  A bigger help to new guys than to vets, but still welcome.

 

Thanks for posting.



VariaVespasa #189 Posted Jan 19 2014 - 22:50

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View PostTreetop64, on Jan 19 2014 - 22:06, said:

 

National Battle Mode - Cool.  Been looking forward to this mode for a long, long time now.

 

Map Tweaks - We'll see how that turns out...

 

Turning Chat Off - Hopefully, this will cut down significantly the amount of "Stop Being Mean to Me!" threads from certain individuals...

 

Storing Replaced Camos and Emblems - A surprising and unusually considerate thing for WG to implement.  Nice thought.

 

Tank on Fire - Kind of a no-brainer here.  However, most vets who've played enough matches quickly notice when they're on fire.  A bigger help to new guys than to vets, but still welcome.

 

Thanks for posting.

Storing replaced cammoes etc is indeed a nice thing, BUT its also a good sales-boosting trick.  People hesitate to replace a cammo they already spent money on, but now that that will no longer be the case the "gotta collect 'em all" impulse will kick in.  Players are happy, and WG suddenly gets more money from cammo sales.  Everybody wins.  :)



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View PostVariaVespasa, on Jan 19 2014 - 13:50, said:

Storing replaced cammoes etc is indeed a nice thing, BUT its also a good sales-boosting trick.  People hesitate to replace a cammo they already spent money on, but now that that will no longer be the case the "gotta collect 'em all" impulse will kick in.  Players are happy, and WG suddenly gets more money from cammo sales.  Everybody wins.  :)

 

Of course.  Why didn't I see that...  :laugh:



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View PostFWX, on Jan 17 2014 - 21:21, said:

As it is in 8.10, the HEAT round on the 268 is like the HESH round on the 183. It is THE thing that makes 268 unique.

 

Tanks like the E3 and E4 have 375 pen APCR, and the Foch155 has 408 pen HEAT (and an auto-loader). The WTF E100 only gets reduced pen (352) APCR because it has such good accuracy and a large magazine.

 

Without the high-pen HEAT round, what is the strength of the 268? Remember that the 268 is poorly armored compared to its peers and has a very narrow gun arc.

 

In close-medium range engagements, accuracy is less significant and APCR rounds do a lot better than HEAT (due to tracks and spaced armor). The 268 also happens to be poorly armored compared to Foch and E3. The E4 has a turret and the WTF has a turret and an auto-loader.

 

The 268 used to shine in medium-long range engagements. If the pen on its HEAT gets lower than that on the Foch155, then what is the redeeming quality on an 268?

 

This HEAT nerf should be accompanied by a buff to gun arc and camouflage rating (or a huge buff to gun arc alone).

 

 

If the HEAT pen is the only thing you can take advantage from of the 268, then I'm sorry to say but you are doing something really wrong.



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Nerf the arty, cause the heavies cry too much about getting killed in the open field, nerf or get rid the scouts, cause they are too fast for heavies to shoot, nerf the TDs since people play them too much now that arty and scouts aren't around as much to help keep them in check and they hurtsess the poor heavies feelings cause they can't see them hiding in the bushes as they cross the field, they must be OP ya know..  Wonder when they'll start whining about the Mediums? Rinse, repeat, ad infinitum. Before long World of Tanks will have 1 type of tank so nothing is "OP" to complain about,  and we have basically the best graphics ever seen on what is essentially a modern version of Atari 2600's Combat.

Maus123 #193 Posted Jan 20 2014 - 20:57

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I am fine as long as I get my beloved Char 2C.

LEG3NDARY12 #194 Posted Jan 21 2014 - 15:41

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View PostHavoc199, on Jan 19 2014 - 19:26, said:

I don't know how I feel about the changes to the td's. Its a buff/nerf situation depending on your approach to alpha amd dpm.

 

The change in the obj 268 shell is greay news. 450 pen is ridiculous.  Enough to waft shells through upper plates angled on a maus. 

 

No bl10 isnt being touched for those who altho it really should be. 

 

Foch isnt really op. People just cry. It's got a lot of weaknesses to counter it's  advantages. 

 

crying about wt e100 is even mire ridículo.  It has massive setbacks. The whole point of it is to be a glass cannon. You don't see people crying about amx 50 100 tho it has tier for tier a better gun than the wt e100.  Better pen for it's tier. The best of all the heaviea. While the wt e100 has one of the lowest if not the lowest of all the tier the10 tds. 

 

The amount of tds on a team needs to be limited.  Same as scouts and arty. They are specialists not tanks. This would probably fix current issues and no one has to have thier tank messed with.

 

Also acout matchmaking needs a re work. Tier 4 scouts are almost pointless in a tier 8 game. I think they just need to not be able to get top tier. So a tier 4 scout can meet up to 6 but it can't be top tier. This would fix a lot of problems.  Currently many scouts going into games are outclassed as scouts by the mesiums etc. There is no point in a 360 view range scout in a tier 8 game where the mediums have 380 and havies have 400.

 

 

 

Agreed stupid crying noobs... Btw nerfing the alpha isn't going to fix anything especially when there are still 183s and other big guns In NUMBERS on the field the same amount of tds are still gonna be in games and players are still gonna camp the only way to fix tds is to simply cap how many are in games by nerfing alpha ur still gonna hit hard and there will be 8 a side.... War gaming clearly has no idea how to balance the game..

 



IMA_RANDOM_BAD_PLAYER_GG #195 Posted Jan 21 2014 - 15:45

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and the only premium is the t-44-85? or are there going to be more?

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More than anything else, this nationality mode will allow the truly effective use of HE. facing 6 Waffles? Have everyone load HE. Scout. Boom.

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We need T9-10 scouts, with view ranges exceeding any other tank's in the game.

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View Postrosszpenz, on Jan 21 2014 - 18:22, said:

We need T9-10 scouts, with view ranges exceeding any other tank's in the game.

One do you own a batchat? That can spot you from anywhere on the map... Two I guess uve decided the game is so far gone that throwing t10 scouts in wouldn't unbalance the game anymore than It is 



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View Postshefsatyr, on Jan 20 2014 - 03:15, said:

Nerf the arty, cause the heavies cry too much about getting killed in the open field, nerf or get rid the scouts, cause they are too fast for heavies to shoot, nerf the TDs since people play them too much now that arty and scouts aren't around as much to help keep them in check and they hurtsess the poor heavies feelings cause they can't see them hiding in the bushes as they cross the field, they must be OP ya know..  Wonder when they'll start whining about the Mediums? Rinse, repeat, ad infinitum. Before long World of Tanks will have 1 type of tank so nothing is "OP" to complain about,  and we have basically the best graphics ever seen on what is essentially a modern version of Atari 2600's Combat.


ROFL, +1

 



Tabardar #200 Posted Jan 21 2014 - 19:05

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Why they nerfing 268 heat ???? I rly don't understand the reasons. !!!!!




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