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killswitch95 #21 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 20:34

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dont mind the 0 battle forum troll, with no experience, he has no say, and therefore no point...

 

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Kanzler_Bismarck #22 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 20:36

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1) Sherman (Ease of production, maintenance/repair, Mobility, Reliability and large Turret ring makes it the best armored weapon system of WWII)

2) T-34 (Almost as good as the M4  but with a worse crew layout keeps it in second place)

3) PZ IV (Very Upgradable tank that “grew with the need”, great crew layout and the Mounting of the longer 75mm made this tank a contender till the war’s end, unsloped armor hurt this guy)

4) Panther (Thick sloped armor, good mobility and excellent gun, size and reliability hurt it)

5) IS-2 (Easy to make with enormous cannon, very “Soviet” crew comforts make for poor morale)

 

WHAT?!?!? No TIGERS?!?!?
I love the Tiger, and I love the KT, but their numbers were never really adequate. Sure, I would rather be IN a Tiger than facing one; they were without doubt the most powerful tanks of their day. But if I was a general at the time I would want the flexibility of the Sherman. If I was a German General (knowing that my ranks filled with Tigers and KT’s wasn’t going to happen) I would rather have 6 Stug IIIs or 4 PZ IVs  (or even more of something like the Nashorn) instead of 1 Tiger or half a KT.



Kanzler_Bismarck #23 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 20:38

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View Postyota151, on Jan 23 2014 - 12:29, said:


Real life isn't WOT they could fire as fast as they could load it.

Fumes was a huge issue in the 152 tanks, so fast firing wasn;t very parctical.

Also he said "tanks" not "assault guns".



MightyBarbarian #24 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 20:39

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View PostDockmaster, on Jan 23 2014 - 19:23, said:

 

The Allied guests crapped their pants when they first saw the IS3 in that parade. (However I thought it was in Moscow 1946.)

 

It was a big shock and the West had nothing to compare to it.

 

 

 

you mean there was no super-pershing, T-32, T-28 or T-34 ? OMG!



Arrowfoot #25 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 20:39

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1. Panther

2. Tiger

3. T-34-85

4. Sherman

5. Pz-4.

 

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yota151 #26 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 20:39

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Ok I get neg because I said IS-3. What tank at that time could fight a IS-3 and win. As far as everyone who think it didn't fight during WW2 there is a picture in a history book I own showing one fighting in the streets of Berlin, god I wish I had a scanner.

SULOMON #27 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 20:41

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Why do people keep picking the crap Panther? It broke down a ton and was knocked out by 1930 technology.

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1.  T-34.  Easily the most important tank of the war.  Good in all regards, including mobility, armor and firepower and easy to produce.  When it first hit the battlefield it was superior to every tank it fought and made the bulk of the German armored force instantly obsolete.  Without the T-34 it would be easy to see the Germans occupying Moscow and Stalingrad as well as crushing the Kursk salient.  The T-34 won the war for the Russians.

2.  M4 Sherman.  While its profile was too high, it burned too easily and had no appreciable anti-tank role, the M4 Sherman was cheap, mobile and extremely reliable.  It was the supreme anti-infantry tank of the war and excelled when used in that role.  It was the mobility and reliability of the Sherman that allowed the Allies to rapidly retake France once the breakout from Normandy had been made. 

3.  The Panzer III.  The original blitzkrieg tank and the tank primarily responsible for conquering Poland and France.  While technically inferior to the B1 heavy tank, it was fast, maneuverable and reliable.  It could bring firepower into the rear of the enemy and disrupt advancing units.  It would win out in almost every meeting engagement in France and rout many French infantry units being rushed to the front lines.

4.  The Panther.  From an engineering stand point, probably the 'best' tank in the war.  It was superior in armor, mobility and firepower to all but a handful of under-produced tanks.  It suffered from poor reliability and low numbers, however.  Among the common tanks of WWII, it's the one that you probably wanted to be in if you wanted to live past 1945.  Sheer numbers, however, would overwhelm the Panther.

5.  The Tiger.  Although not influential on the battlefield, its mere existence gave allied tank engineers pause.  All of the late war tank designs were made with defeating the Tiger in mind: the IS, the T29, the Pershing.  On the battlefield, it was one of the hardest tanks to kill, although it suffered reliability problems just like the Panther.  But there were never enough of them to dominate and therefore the outcome of the war never hinged on the Tiger's performance.



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View PostKanzler_Bismarck, on Jan 23 2014 - 14:38, said:

Fumes was a huge issue in the 152 tanks, so fast firing wasn;t very parctical.

Also he said "tanks" not "assault guns".


I wasn't saying the 152 was a top 5 tank I was just saying it could fire faster than in the game. You let someone shoot at you and see if you don't reload a lot faster fumes or no fumes.



BlackCompany #30 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 20:42

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How in the heck do people not have the T-34 on their list?

 

 

1) T-34: Sloped Armor, good chasis/suspension, mass production, I cant think of another tank that more shaped the outcome of WW2

2) M4 Sherman -  55,000 produced, the much maligned Sherman saw combat action and performed well even in the 1973 Yom Kippur war - yes it was modified and modernized with a 105mm cannon, but something being viable 35 years after its inception speaks volume

3) Panther -  too many innovations to list - has more in common with the main battle tank of today than most other tanks in WW2

4) Tiger I/II   Fear factor - despite only 1300 and 600 of them being made, the psychological factor alone was a huge impact on the battlefield

5) Pz IV - workhorse of the German tank corps



yota151 #31 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 20:45

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View Post1_ace_1, on Jan 23 2014 - 14:39, said:

 

you mean there was no super-pershing, T-32, T-28 or T-34 ? OMG!


The T28, SP, T32 and, T34 were all prototype tanks the IS-3 was a production run model.


Edited by yota151, Jan 23 2014 - 20:53.


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1. Sherman (all variants)

2. Panzer IV (all variants)

3. T-34 (all variants)

4. StuG III

5. Panther

 



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View PostSULOMON, on Jan 23 2014 - 12:41, said:

Why do people keep picking the crap Panther? It broke down a ton and was knocked out by 1930 technology.

Really? No.



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For all the haters of all the lists out there, there is no clear cut winner in this. It is all a matter of opinion and perspective. Some of the best historians in the world have argued back and forth about this for years. Most can agree  on the top 5 or maybe the top 10 over all, but its the order to put them in that brings out the arguments and insults.  If you look at all the lists your start to see a pattern, not so much in the place of each tank, but in the tanks that make the list.

MagicSeagull #35 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 20:49

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1: T-34-85

2: Panzer 4

3: T-34

4: Hetzer/Stug

5: Sherman.

lets be honest, the tigers/panthers were fearsome but far too unreliable to be successful in the fast paced action that was the 2nd world war. Mass produced cheap tanks were the answer to tank battles.


Edited by MagicSeagull, Jan 23 2014 - 20:51.


Naughtius_Maximus #36 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 20:49

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Why would you invite the guys from Historical to roll around in Gameplay again? I mean, the Russian Bias thread isn't even completely dead yet!

 

For the Germans they will certainly mention the Stug at best, and laugh at everyone who mentions any cats. Vehemently.



_Panzer9_ #37 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 20:49

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T-34

Panzer IV

StuG III

Sherman Firefly

Panther

 

SU-76/ IS series gets honorable mention


Edited by Panzer9Supertiger, Jan 23 2014 - 20:50.


EnsignExpendable #38 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 20:51

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1. T-34, glorious engine of Socialist victory

2. M4 Sherman, slightly less glorious engine of capitalist victory

3. PzIII: more innovative than the copycat Panther, actually worked. Plus it birthed the StuG, the gangsterest of all assault guns.

4. Pz38(t): massively underrated, and the backbone of early war German armoured forces. Also served as a basis for the very effective Jagdpanzer 38(t).

5. Tie between Matilda and Valentine. The latter was useful for the entire war, but the former had a sweet nickname.



ramp4ge #39 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 20:55

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In no particular order

 

1) T-34

2) T-34-85

3) M4A2

4) M4A3

5) M18

 

 



MightyBarbarian #40 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 20:56

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View PostSULOMON, on Jan 23 2014 - 19:41, said:

Why do people keep picking the crap Panther? It broke down a ton and was knocked out by 1930 technology.

 

To be fair, all the tanks broke down a lot back then. Including the t-34. At least the Panther had a good gun and it's life expectancy was more than 2-3 hours...






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