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Tabardar #441 Posted Jan 26 2014 - 10:00

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View PostPave_Low, on Jan 23 2014 - 20:41, said:

1.  T-34.  Easily the most important tank of the war.  Good in all regards, including mobility, armor and firepower and easy to produce.  When it first hit the battlefield it was superior to every tank it fought and made the bulk of the German armored force instantly obsolete.  Without the T-34 it would be easy to see the Germans occupying Moscow and Stalingrad as well as crushing the Kursk salient.  The T-34 won the war for the Russians.

2.  M4 Sherman.  While its profile was too high, it burned too easily and had no appreciable anti-tank role, the M4 Sherman was cheap, mobile and extremely reliable.  It was the supreme anti-infantry tank of the war and excelled when used in that role.  It was the mobility and reliability of the Sherman that allowed the Allies to rapidly retake France once the breakout from Normandy had been made. 

3.  The Panzer III.  The original blitzkrieg tank and the tank primarily responsible for conquering Poland and France.  While technically inferior to the B1 heavy tank, it was fast, maneuverable and reliable.  It could bring firepower into the rear of the enemy and disrupt advancing units.  It would win out in almost every meeting engagement in France and rout many French infantry units being rushed to the front lines.

4.  The Panther.  From an engineering stand point, probably the 'best' tank in the war.  It was superior in armor, mobility and firepower to all but a handful of under-produced tanks.  It suffered from poor reliability and low numbers, however.  Among the common tanks of WWII, it's the one that you probably wanted to be in if you wanted to live past 1945.  Sheer numbers, however, would overwhelm the Panther.

5.  The Tiger.  Although not influential on the battlefield, its mere existence gave allied tank engineers pause.  All of the late war tank designs were made with defeating the Tiger in mind: the IS, the T29, the Pershing.  On the battlefield, it was one of the hardest tanks to kill, although it suffered reliability problems just like the Panther.  But there were never enough of them to dominate and therefore the outcome of the war never hinged on the Tiger's performance.

Very nice



rossmum #442 Posted Jan 26 2014 - 13:32

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View PostSNIPRS, on Jan 26 2014 - 16:28, said:

Comet and Toroise never saw combat

 

Comet saw plenty of combat, actually. A lot more than Pershing.



Walter_Sobchak #443 Posted Jan 26 2014 - 15:23

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View PostSergeantMatt, on Jan 26 2014 - 02:02, said:

1. Bob Semple

2. Bob Semple

3. Bob Semple

4. Bob Semple

5. Bob Semple


1. NI tank

2. NI tank

3, NI tank

4. NI tank

5. NI tank



BabyOlifant #444 Posted Jan 26 2014 - 18:14

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1. Kubus

2. Kubus

3. Kubus

4. Kubus

5. Kubus



Walter_Sobchak #445 Posted Jan 26 2014 - 18:50

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View PostBabyOlifant, on Jan 26 2014 - 12:14, said:

1. Kubus

2. Kubus

3. Kubus

4. Kubus

5. Kubus


No fair, that's an armored car.



Sturg303 #446 Posted Jan 26 2014 - 19:36

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IS-2 was successful but it rather came late.

JA_Pinkerton #447 Posted Jan 26 2014 - 19:39

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View PostHurk, on Jan 23 2014 - 14:17, said:

top 5 in what way? 


In the Nazi way, it seems.



Redwing6 #448 Posted Jan 26 2014 - 21:55

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View Post3BAC, on Jan 23 2014 - 19:23, said:

  1. T-34-85
  2. Tiger
  3. Sherman
  4. Panther
  5. Panzer IV


The Panther was the best tank in the world until the T-54 entered divisional service (roughly 1950 or so).  However, it did  have severe drawbacks.  It was mechanically unreliable and like the Pzkw VIA/B (Tiger I & II) usually lost 50% of its unit's strength to mechanical breakdowns on the road march to jump off point from the  rail heads.  The T-34-85 was the next best due to it's maneuverability and decent gun (however, both the T-43 & T-44 were better by far).  The M4a3e8 was the best the American's actually fielded (though not the best tank they developed).  Just my opinion, not necessarily the best over all. For the Brits, it would be the Comet (though the Centurion entered trials just at the end of WW2-and therefore merits honourable mention


Edited by Redwing6, Jan 26 2014 - 21:57.


Walter_Sobchak #449 Posted Jan 26 2014 - 22:21

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I think I am going to just keep posting this quote over and over again until it finally sinks in with all the Panzer fans.

 

This is from  "The German Generals Talk" by Liddell Hart.   In the book he notes on page 221:

 

In my talks with (German general) Manteuffel, he emphasized that the Russians maintained their advantage in tank design and that in the "Stalin" tank, which appeared in 1944, they had what he considered the best tank that was seen in battle, anywhere, up to the end of the war. 



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View PostRedwing6, on Jan 26 2014 - 12:55, said:


The Panther was the best tank in the world until the T-54 entered divisional service (roughly 1950 or so).  

 

If you are not joking, this is one of the most ridiculous statements in this thread to date.

 

It influenced no future tank designs and was laughably unreliable. Its success stories are mostly made up by Nazis and their fanboys.

 

You need to read up on some tanks other than German, and from authors not Wehraboo scumbags.  



SNIPRS #451 Posted Jan 26 2014 - 23:16

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View Postrossmum, on Jan 26 2014 - 05:32, said:

 

Comet saw plenty of combat, actually. A lot more than Pershing.

Thanks for correcting me there



EnsignExpendable #452 Posted Jan 27 2014 - 00:08

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View PostRedwing6, on Jan 26 2014 - 15:55, said:

The Panther was the best tank in the world until the T-54 entered divisional service (roughly 1950 or so).  However, it did  have severe drawbacks.  It was mechanically unreliable and like the Pzkw VIA/B (Tiger I & II) usually lost 50% of its unit's strength to mechanical breakdowns on the road march to jump off point from the  rail heads.  

 

Those two statements are a little contradictory, no? If you lose half your tanks in a short march, it's an abysmal tank. MS-1s produced in post-Civil War USSR had better reliability than that.

 

View PostRedwing6, on Jan 26 2014 - 15:55, said:

 The T-34-85 was the next best due to it's maneuverability and decent gun (however, both the T-43 & T-44 were better by far). 

 

In what universe is the T-43 "better by far"?

 

 

 

 



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View PostEnsignExpendable, on Jan 26 2014 - 17:08, said:

In what universe is the T-43 "better by far"?

By measure of model numbers.  43 is 9 more than 34.  That's a 26.5% improvement.  Check. Mate.



BabyOlifant #454 Posted Jan 27 2014 - 01:57

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Question for EE: Why did Russian tank design temporarily transition to a 45 degree glacis with the T-34M and T-43?

UFC_Cooky #455 Posted Jan 27 2014 - 03:38

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Anyone who puts heavy tanks like the IS-2 and king tiger / tiger don't know what their talking about..... They were sitting ducks from the air, especially when the allies had air superiority over Germany and rocket firing typhoons ate beasts like the jagdtiger and king tiger for lunch lol.

UFC_Cooky #456 Posted Jan 27 2014 - 03:40

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And I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the hetzer alongside the StuG. If we were talking about TD's and ignoring production figures I would certainly consider the jagpanther.

BabyOlifant #457 Posted Jan 27 2014 - 03:44

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That would be because the Hetzer and Jadtiger are both terrible.

DracoArgentum #458 Posted Jan 27 2014 - 03:45

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I need to stop coming to this thread while I'm out of -1s.

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View PostUFC_Cooky, on Jan 26 2014 - 18:40, said:

And I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the hetzer alongside the StuG. If we were talking about TD's and ignoring production figures I would certainly consider the jagpanther.

 


And thus would out yourself as a wehraboo. 

 

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View PostUFC_Cooky, on Jan 26 2014 - 21:38, said:

Anyone who puts heavy tanks like the IS-2 and king tiger / tiger don't know what their talking about..... They were sitting ducks from the air, especially when the allies had air superiority over Germany and rocket firing typhoons ate beasts like the jagdtiger and king tiger for lunch lol.


IS-2 is much closer to the Panther in terms of size and weight than it is to King Tiger.  I fail to see how Heavy tanks would be more vulnerable to air power than other tanks. 






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