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collimatrix #61 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 21:27

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Nope, T-35 is clearly taller than all of those tanks.

 

T-35 is the tallest, with the tiger II coming in a distant second.  Panther is in third place, forth goes to the jagdtiger, and the jagdpanther is probably five.

 

Just using figures from wikipedia.



BabyOlifant #62 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 21:28

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Char 2C beats all of them.

yota151 #63 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 21:29

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View Postcollimatrix, on Jan 23 2014 - 15:27, said:

Nope, T-35 is clearly taller than all of those tanks.

 

T-35 is the tallest, with the tiger II coming in a distant second.  Panther is in third place, forth goes to the jagdtiger, and the jagdpanther is probably five.

 

Just using figures from wikipedia.


What about the kv-2 lol. Its pretty dang tall.


Edited by yota151, Jan 23 2014 - 21:30.


BabyOlifant #64 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 21:31

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not even close to char 2c

Tiger_23 #65 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 21:32

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View PostBabyOlifant, on Jan 23 2014 - 17:28, said:

Char 2C beats all of them.

 

P.1000 Ratte bro



BabyOlifant #66 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 21:34

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yeah i can design a napkinpanzer taller than that who gives a crap?

Tiger_23 #67 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 21:37

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View PostBabyOlifant, on Jan 23 2014 - 17:34, said:

yeah i can design a napkinpanzer taller than that who gives a crap?

 



BabyOlifant #68 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 21:38

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sPzAbt505 #69 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 21:39

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Panther G

IS-2

Tiger II

Tiger I

Firefly VC



OttoT #70 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 21:39

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View Postyota151, on Jan 23 2014 - 10:39, said:

Ok I get neg because I said IS-3. What tank at that time could fight a IS-3 and win. As far as everyone who think it didn't fight during WW2 there is a picture in a history book I own showing one fighting in the streets of Berlin, god I wish I had a scanner.

The KT had no problem at all killing IS series tanks neither did the Tiger.  Hell even the Stug was killing IS series tanks. 



EnsignExpendable #71 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 21:40

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Best tanks of WWII

1. Doge.

2. Doge.

3. Doge.

4. Doge.

5. Doge.



EnsignExpendable #72 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 21:41

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View PostOttoT, on Jan 23 2014 - 15:39, said:

The KT had no problem at all killing IS series tanks neither did the Tiger.  Hell even the Stug was killing IS series tanks. 

 

And the IS-2 has no problem killing King Tigers. And AT riflemen had no problem killing Panthers. What's your point?



Gregor_Marethel #73 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 21:41

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1) Waffle (WTF) E-100

2) VK 72.01

3) T110E4

4) FV 215b (heavy)

5) T28 (both)

 

The moral to learn from this: Imaginary tanks are best tanks!



lostwingman #74 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 21:42

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Bad lists are bad.

 

1. Sherman

1. T-34

3. PzIII

4. IS-2

5. PzIV

 

 

I tied Sherman and T-34 because I just couldn't choose. The Sherman was a more refined and easier to upgrade design by virtue of starting off with an already oversized turret ring and I am under the understanding that at least the HVSS was clearly superior to the Christie suspension. Additionally the Sherman could be greatly uparmored as well because of the awesomeness of volute springs. Had the T-34M upgrades come around I'd have given it clearly to the T-34. Both were easy to produce and maintain, came in a large variety of variants and uses, and both went on for long post-war duties. The Sherman especially once again because of its enlarged turret ring. The T-34 probably fought harder but I feel the turret ring and suspension comparison bring the Sherman up. Really it's hard to choose between the two, plain and simple war winners.

 

I put the PzIII after those two and did not include the StuG because I am considering variant vehicles to be alongside because it shows the versatility of the basic design. PzIII was a pretty solid design really only lacking in weight limitations and turret ring. Its successful variants built off of its chassis really carried the German war effort while the big cats let them down. About the most capable and well designed vehicle the Germans had.

 

I put the IS next because it was basically the only truly successful heavy tank mass produced in the war. I mean the KV was nice but the mobility just wasn't there at all and working in that weight range was yet to be perfected. The IS chassis was really solid and it shows in how it was repurposed as well into SPGs. Really nice vehicle overall, more niche than the 3 above it on the ranking but unlike the big cats it managed to strike a good balance between high protection and acceptable mobility.

 

I put the PzIV last because I dislike leaf springs. I also felt that it was basically just a bigger PzIII, just with a more primitive suspension. Oh it was widely produced and became the basis for a ton of designs but it kind of hit a wall in terms weight pretty quickly because  of its suspension.

 

Honorable mentions:

38t, incredible longetivity and simple design. Carried the Germans hard and the basic design was good enough that lasted through the end of the war. Would have seen an upgrade version in the 38D had the war continued as well.

M3/5 Stuart, produced in huge numbers and was used for decades after the war. ~16t is a bit big for a light tank but the chassis was solidly upgradeable and had a good number of designs.

Churchill: Had a very rocky start but it was good stable platform that could morphed into a variety of uses. They were also very useful in Korea when used properly so it did have a nice solid career post war as well.

Type 97: For its time it was a very good and well thought out design. Lightweight, low profile, and average protection for the time. The Type 1 Chi-He was a direct upgrade on it and the Type 3 Chi-Nu (which could match the 75mm M4 in firepower with much less weight) was an even more direct upgrade on the Chi-He. The chassis on the Type 97 also became a solid weapon carrier. Overall though it suffered the same fate as the PzIII (on the small side and couldn't carry weight) but unlike the Germans the Japanese simply improved on a good design to get practical progeny.

 

 

Disclaimer:I'm an uneducated plebian, please don't be mean.


Edited by lostwingman, Jan 23 2014 - 22:21.


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The KV was ruined when no one listened to Shashmurin that one time they should have.

OttoT #76 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 21:43

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View PostEnsignExpendable, on Jan 23 2014 - 11:41, said:

 

And the IS-2 has no problem killing King Tigers. And AT riflemen had no problem killing Panthers. What's your point?


read his statement then read mine



EnsignExpendable #77 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 21:48

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View PostOttoT, on Jan 23 2014 - 15:43, said:


read his statement then read mine

 

Your statement is also generalizing it to all IS series tanks when the guy was talking about IS-3s specifically. 



lostwingman #78 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 21:54

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View Postramp4ge, on Jan 23 2014 - 14:05, said:

 

Also, first-generation Panzer IVs had what, a 40mm vertical glacis?

Ugh, I spent too much writing, now I have to catch up to thread!

Pulling out my Jentz (at work, YOLO):

 

-Panzer IV AusfC was the first model with more than 100 produced. It had 30mm of frontal armor (double the Ausf A) and 15 on the side and rear. It was produced from 38-39.

-Ausf D had over 220 produced '39-'41. Side and rear armor increased to 20mm, front armor still 30mm.

-Ausf E had over 220 produced '40-'41. Hull increased 50mm, superstructure 30mm + 30mm additional plate, turret was 30mm front. Side armor started 20mm but with 20mm additional armor added. Everything else the same.

-Ausf F (both versions) had about 650 produced between late '41 and mid-42. 50mm front armor, 30mm on side. rear was 20mm on hull, 30mm on turret.

 

I'll stop there. That about covers the early models.

 

View PostTupinambis, on Jan 23 2014 - 14:10, said:

1. M4 Sherman

2. StuG III

3. T-34

4. Jagdpanzer 38t

5. SU-85/SU-100

 

Japanese Chi-Nu gets an honorable mention for being an excellent design, since it *approached* the T-34 and M4 in hard power stats, but only weighed 20 tons.

 

I'm not sure about the Tiger or Panther since they were hideously over-engineered and, for those reasons, weren't "war winning" tanks. The Panther and Tiger, in the grand scheme of things, probably hurt Germany's ability to win the war. There's a lot more to a tank than simply being effective in combat.

A strong tank design isn't necessarily a GOOD tank design.


I'm going to put the Type 97 in my honoroable mentions. The Type 1 was a straight upgrade on it much like the PzIV Ausf H would relate to an Ausf E. The Type 1 is essentially what the Type 3 was put on. That platform was a very good lightweight platform for industrial warfare. Too bad Imperial Japan couldn't into industrial warfare too well.

 



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View Post3BAC, on Jan 23 2014 - 14:23, said:

  1. T-34-85
  2. Tiger
  3. Sherman
  4. Panther
  5. Panzer IV

nailed it in one.



lostwingman #80 Posted Jan 23 2014 - 21:57

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View PostEnsignExpendable, on Jan 23 2014 - 14:43, said:

The KV was ruined when no one listened to Shashmurin that one time they should have.


I am not an enlightened scholar of the proletariat, please tell more.

 

View PostTalonV, on Jan 23 2014 - 14:55, said:

nailed it in one.


>Tiger and Panther in top 5

MOAR LIKED FAILED IT IN ONE AMIRITE!?!?!


Edited by lostwingman, Jan 23 2014 - 21:57.





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