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leon_phelps #641 Posted Jan 29 2014 - 15:48

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View PostHurk, on Jan 23 2014 - 19:17, said:

top 5 in what way? 

I'd say in crew mortality rate some of those tanks life spans were measured in days so wasn't the crew mortality rate hell t34 Russians stopped painting them paint didn't even get to dry on most of em anyways



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View PostBabyOlifant, on Jan 28 2014 - 02:45, said:

 

LOL! it does look like were sockpuppet accounts of each other, doesnt it?

 

well now that its out there i might as well admit it

 

yes jeeps and i are the same person

 

This is pathetic.



Walter_Sobchak #643 Posted Jan 29 2014 - 16:22

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View PostKnuckleduster_2015, on Jan 29 2014 - 08:50, said:

 

Too bad that the Ausf. F Schmalturm never got produced though since it would have been even better.

 

Crappiest tanks in WW2 that were mass produced and that russians and some others think were good tanks.

 

5. T-34/85

4. T-34 model 1943

3. T-34 model 1942

2. T-34 model 1941

1. T-34 model 1940

 

 

If the schmalturm Panther would be a better tank for the Nazis, why is it "too bad" that it was never produced?  Kinda makes you sound like you are rooting for the Germans or something. 



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Was the schmalturm turret even heavier than the stock one? It is too bad they didn't  make it would of crippled even more Panthers with to much weight! 

Edited by Guy4123, Jan 29 2014 - 16:34.


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View PostTolos, on Jan 28 2014 - 20:39, said:

The Germans enjoyed fighting the IS2 as they always knew when it was reloading due to the fact that they had to depress the gun to its maximum to load a shell. The IS2 shouldn't even be in the top 20 nevermind top 5. 

 

Ok then.

 

5. T-44A   (the JS-2 model 1944 with forged hull loses this spot to the T-44A)

4. Panther Ausf. D   (this is oddly enough the first version of the Panther)

3. Tiger

2. Panther Ausf. G

1. King Tiger

 



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View PostKnuckleduster_2015, on Jan 29 2014 - 15:55, said:

This is pathetic.

Nah, guy. Check this out:

 

View Postjbrowning, on Jan 29 2014 - 15:48, said:

I'd say in crew mortality rate some of those tanks life spans were measured in days so wasn't the crew mortality rate hell t34 Russians stopped painting them paint didn't even get to dry on most of em anyways

^This is pathetic



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View PostWalter_Sobchak, on Jan 29 2014 - 16:22, said:

 

If the schmalturm Panther would be a better tank for the Nazis, why is it "too bad" that it was never produced?  Kinda makes you sound like you are rooting for the Germans or something. 

 

I just like good tanks and I don't hate on german tanks just because of what the nazis did in WW2.



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View PostKnuckleduster_2015, on Jan 29 2014 - 17:30, said:

 

Ok then.

 

5. T-44A   (the JS-2 model 1944 with forged hull loses this spot to the T-44A)

4. Panther Ausf. D   (this is oddly enough the first version of the Panther)

3. Tiger

2. Panther Ausf. G

1. King Tiger

 

 

Let's say you're the newly crowned dictator of Switzerland and, having been caught up in the excitement of the war, you want to field a professional army. You can choose to equip your army with any existing tank designs. Would you really pick those five to fight in their respective eras?



BeingBadNotBeingGood #649 Posted Jan 29 2014 - 16:40

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View PostKnuckleduster_2015, on Jan 29 2014 - 07:50, said:

 

Too bad that the Ausf. F Schmalturm never got produced though since it would have been even better.

 

Crappiest tanks in WW2 that were mass produced and that russians and some others think were good tanks.

 

5. T-34/85

4. T-34 model 1943

3. T-34 model 1942

2. T-34 model 1941

1. T-34 model 1940

 

How exactly were they bad tanks? The only one where the German contemporary can penetrate it from a greater range than it can penetrate the German contemporary is the T-34 mod. 1942 because the PzIV Ausf G came out, uparmored with 30mm extra armor bolted on.



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View PostGuy4123, on Jan 29 2014 - 16:29, said:

Was the schmalturm turret even heavier than the stock one? It is too bad they didn't  make it would of crippled even more Panthers with to much weight! 

 

It would be smaller and probably lighter.



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View PostGuy4123, on Jan 29 2014 - 10:29, said:

Was the schmalturm turret even heavier than the stock one? It is too bad they didn't  make it would of crippled even more Panthers with to much weight! 

According to Jentz, the schmalturm was slightly lighter than the original Panther turret, yet provided better armor protection.  It's funny, almost everyone else developed bigger turrets for their medium tanks so they could carry bigger guns (T-34/85, 76mm Sherman.)  The Germans went the other direction and built a smaller turret.  What they really needed was not a Panther with a smaller turret, but a Panther with a smaller hull. It's that exceptionally long glacis plate and over the track sponsons that add all the weight to that design.  Anyway, from what I can gather from the Jentz book, the schmalturm would have been an improvement over the original turret, but it would not allowed for a bigger gun (88mm) without some significant changes.



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View PostUnraveler, on Jan 29 2014 - 16:36, said:

 

Let's say you're the newly crowned dictator of Switzerland and, having been caught up in the excitement of the war, you want to field a professional army. You can choose to equip your army with any existing tank designs. Would you really pick those five to fight in their respective eras?

 

I would probably pick the Panther Ausf. G because more of it can be produced than of the King Tiger but the King Tiger is just so awesome and therefore it's no. 1.



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View PostKnuckleduster_2015, on Jan 29 2014 - 10:52, said:

 

I would probably pick the Panther Ausf. G because more of it can be produced than of the King Tiger but the King Tiger is just so awesome and therefore it's no. 1.

 

Someone else didn't read the thread...



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View PostWalter_Sobchak, on Jan 29 2014 - 16:51, said:

According to Jentz, the schmalturm was slightly lighter than the original Panther turret, yet provided better armor protection.  It's funny, almost everyone else developed bigger turrets for their medium tanks so they could carry bigger guns (T-34/85, 76mm Sherman.)  The Germans went the other direction and built a smaller turret.  What they really needed was not a Panther with a smaller turret, but a Panther with a smaller hull. It's that exceptionally long glacis plate and over the track sponsons that add all the weight to that design.  Anyway, from what I can gather from the Jentz book, the schmalturm would have been an improvement over the original turret, but it would not allowed for a bigger gun (88mm) without some significant changes.

 

The turret ring was too small for the 88mm anyway so a larger turret would have made no difference without making a new hull with a larger turret ring.



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View PostToxn, on Jan 29 2014 - 15:30, said:

Nah, guy. Check this out:

 

^This is pathetic

What's pathetic about it ever hear of the battle of Kursk??? Life of a tank crew was days in that battle for Russians they threw everything in huge numbers but the German tanks were better in armor and pen they couldn't handle the numbers the Russian threw at them but the Russian tankers paid dearly for the victory 



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We are taking about real tanks and not the game correct???

Walter_Sobchak #657 Posted Jan 29 2014 - 17:02

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View PostKnuckleduster_2015, on Jan 29 2014 - 10:56, said:

 

The turret ring was too small for the 88mm anyway so a larger turret would have made no difference without making a new hull with a larger turret ring.


When I commented on the Allies putting bigger turrets on their tanks, I was not precluding the idea of expanding the turret ring.  The soviets did exactly that with the T-34/85 design. 



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And in the battle of Kursk many Russian tanks went to battle not even painted to get them on the front lines. Netflix has a documentary on the battle check it out the battle field consisted of thousands of tanks over a 75 mile front largest armored combat fight in history. It started at Kursk ended in berlin

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View PostKnuckleduster_2015, on Jan 29 2014 - 10:52, said:

 

I would probably pick the Panther Ausf. G because more of it can be produced than of the King Tiger but the King Tiger is just so awesome and therefore it's no. 1.


A king tiger trying to chug its way through the mountains of Switzerland would be hilarious.  I suspect the Panther would disable itself pretty quickly on those mountains as well. 



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View PostWalter_Sobchak, on Jan 29 2014 - 10:05, said:


A king tiger trying to chug its way through the mountains of Switzerland would be hilarious.  I suspect the Panther would disable itself pretty quickly on those mountains as well. 

 

That long sloped front glacis plate would make excellent ski jumps though.






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