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Painbringer71 #21 Posted Feb 10 2014 - 19:42

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I run my best crew in mine they never leave don't care its my money fun tank

roslanking1 #22 Posted Feb 10 2014 - 19:42

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View PostCutthroatlemur, on Feb 10 2014 - 18:41, said:

I don't think that 2 battles is enough of a sample size for you to draw the conclusion that the IS-6 is the best premium tank.  How about you give it 50 or 100 battles and report again?

Will do



Rena_Dyne #23 Posted Feb 10 2014 - 19:43

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View PostDaedan, on Feb 10 2014 - 10:41, said:

Not giving an opinion on the T34 since I have never played it.

 

However with that being said after the patch it will be seeing more tier 10 battles due to the elmination of the 12th battle tier. It will be interesting to see if this alters some peoples opinion of the tank and its overall stats after a while. IS-6 on the other hand gets the special match making so it will seeing lower tiers more often.

 

The T34 likely wont change much, as its gun already let it put a serious hurt on Tier 10's if the player behind it knew what they were doing. All it will change is the credit income from the T34, since they'll be seeing higher tiers more regularly, and doing damage to higher tier tanks = more credits.



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View Postcaramel, on Feb 10 2014 - 13:28, said:

Honestly, once my job kicks back up, I'll be going with the T34 personally, I like its gun, its armor fits my general play style, and I'm very heavy in the "American" tree, so it just fits me better. Their is no "best" premium tank, only which one best suits "you".

Best line in this thread. Me personally I like the IS6 cause in a heavy I am an in your face smash you in the mouth style player, so the faster reload and better armor of the IS6 plus better mobility suits that.

 

If you want to sit hull down and basically smack the crap out of somebody from a distance T34 is your tank.



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View Postpatang01, on Feb 10 2014 - 18:42, said:

I'm sure the IS 6 is good for the people who like that type of playstyle, more up front and brawling. But personally I'm partial for my Lowe and T34. Both for their different roles. Lowe is an excellent hulldown and very accurate sniper tank. T34 can peek like a champ but not so much a sniper as someone who can survive a few hits to the turret while delivering a lot of pain. The basic advantage of the IS 6 is it's armor, but now when everyone is either aiming or using prem ammo armor is not as important as it used to be.

Lowe? hull down? hell.. Lowe sucks so bad.. I rage sold it



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View Postroslanking1, on Feb 10 2014 - 19:36, said:

 

T34 Is slow, weak armored and sees tier 10s in pubs, while the IS-6 is pretty mobile, bouncy, better DPM, pref MM...

 

IS-6 can see IXs, and here is why it has pref MM,

 

Is-6

armor

hull 100/100/60

turret 150/150/100

 

Gun

 

390 damage with 175 pen or 217 with gold.

 

T34

 

armor

hull - 102/76/51

turret - 279/127/203

 

Gun

 

400 damage with 248 pen, gold 297.

 

the IS-6 gold round cannot out pen a T-34s standard round, that's why it gets pref MM. fighting Ixs and some VIIIs, the 175 pen means you are going to be using gold, which eats into profits.

 

Hull down the T34 is much better than the IS-6, brawling the IS-6 can be better, but if you have to use gold, well than it's just lacking.



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View Postpaladin0, on Feb 10 2014 - 18:46, said:

 

IS-6 can see IXs, and here is why it has pref MM,

 

Is-6

armor

hull 100/100/60

turret 150/150/100

 

Gun

 

390 damage with 175 pen or 217 with gold.

 

T34

 

armor

hull - 102/76/51

turret - 279/127/203

 

Gun

 

400 damage with 248 pen, gold 297.

 

the IS-6 gold round cannot out pen a T-34s standard round, that's why it gets pref MM. fighting Ixs and some VIIIs, the 175 pen means you are going to be using gold, which eats into profits.

 

Hull down the T34 is much better than the IS-6, brawling the IS-6 can be better, but if you have to use gold, well than it's just lacking.

 

Those 2 games I haven't even used gold.. 175 pen is just fine when being a top tier.. only gonna have a little trouble when facing some of the tier 9s, both games i've made over 100k profit.



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T34 best non-preferential MM tier 8 premium, and the IS-6 is the best preferential MM tier 8

T23E3IsLoveT23E3IsLife #29 Posted Feb 10 2014 - 19:52

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My T-34-3 is my favorite. I can play it correctly

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Best premium?

 

Well Best earner is the Type 59, best available is the Jagdtiger 8.8

Best WR and EXP Is the Type 61 hmmm... who knew

 

T34 vs IS-6

Net income overall T34 is number 3 and IS-6 is number 8

Win rate for tier 8 heavies IS-6 is number 3 and T34 is number 7 (Both are way down the list in the overall)

Experience for the tier 8 heavies the IS-6 is number 4 and the T34 is number 9

 

T34 full battle spread, IS-6 preferred MM

 

So yeah over all IS-6 is an excellent choice.

 

Now what line would you rather be training crews in? For me that would be the T34 hands down.

 

 

Net income:

 

~~1.       Type 59   10,717 23,341.72 cr 
2.       8,8 cm Pak 43 Jagdtiger   10,698 21,747.25 cr 
3.       T34   24,127 19,882.01 cr 
4.       Lowe   10,583 18,461.91 cr 
5.       FCM 50 t   5,317 17,832.52 cr 
6.       T26E4 SuperPershing  (small data set)  4,716 16,110.81 cr 
7.       KV-5   5,251 15,712.42 cr 
8.       IS-6   23,134 14,177.13 cr 
9.       AT 15A  (small data set)  1,136 13,621.78 cr 
10.       Panther/M10  (small data set)  2,734 13,439.88 cr 

 

Winrate:

~~1.       Pz.Kpfw. II Ausf. J  (small data set)  2,223 62.12 % 
2.       Pz.Kpfw. B2 740 (f)   22,360 61.37 % 
3.       KV-220 Beta-Test  (small data set)  1,291 59.17 % 
4.       KV-220   32,986 58.78 % 
5.       Object 430 Version II   48,528 55.87 % 
6.       M4A2E4 Sherman  (small data set)  4,447 55.43 % 
7.       FCM 36 Pak 40   26,933 54.23 % 
8.       Matilda IV   25,201 54.09 % 
9.       Conqueror Gun Carriage   45,116 53.90 % 
10.       T110E3   150,054 53.85 % 

~~11.       Type 61   96,419 53.67 % 
12.       Pz.Kpfw. S35 739 (f)   20,868 53.66 % 
13.       SU-122-44   289,699 53.58 % 
14.       Sexton I   5,783 53.47 % 
15.       T-15   30,567 53.35 % 
16.       STA-1   145,429 53.32 % 
17.       Valentine II   11,480 53.25 % 
18.       VK 72.01 (K)   41,633 53.22 % 
19.       FV304   205,953 53.15 % 
20.       SU-100Y   121,831 52.76 % 

 

Experience:

~~1.       Object 430 Version II   48,528 599.85 
2.       110   166,934 477.19 
3.       Object 704   498,243 467.99 
4.       Type 61   96,419 464.46 
5.       WZ-111 model 1-4   128,478 454.26 
6.       STB-1   43,757 453.27 
7.       Object 430   13,091 450.51 
8.       KV-5   161,984 449.03 
9.       M60   10,765 444.61 
10.       VK 72.01 (K)   41,633 442.78 

 

 


Edited by paradat, Feb 10 2014 - 19:55.


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View Postpaladin0, on Feb 10 2014 - 13:46, said:

 

IS-6 can see IXs, and here is why it has pref MM,

 

Is-6

armor

hull 100/100/60

turret 150/150/100

 

Gun

 

390 damage with 175 pen or 217 with gold.

 

T34

 

armor

hull - 102/76/51

turret - 279/127/203

 

Gun

 

400 damage with 248 pen, gold 297.

 

the IS-6 gold round cannot out pen a T-34s standard round, that's why it gets pref MM. fighting Ixs and some VIIIs, the 175 pen means you are going to be using gold, which eats into profits.

 

Hull down the T34 is much better than the IS-6, brawling the IS-6 can be better, but if you have to use gold, well than it's just lacking.

only if you're stupid enough to go head to head with a tier 9 tank. FLANKING, i know this is a foreign concept to some, but if you get to the side or rear of a tank in a close quarter's brawl, nice fleshy side armor to go through, 175 is plenty for the job, if you're not trying to batter through the front of an E75. And even then, hit the right spot 175 is plenty for the job. Big hint, know that nice dome looking thing on the top of the turret?  Shoot it.



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IS6 is a lead tank and T34 is a support tank. two different tanks that have different roles. i have both.  the IS6 can be godly especially in a tier 8 battle.  T34 hull down and hope arty doesnt find you.

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KV5:  600 battles, 43% win

Lowe:  501 battles, 42.12% win

T34:  279 battles, 49.08% win

IS-6:  118 battles, 55.08% win

FCM 50t:  57 battles, 45.61% win

112:  35 battles, 40% win

 

Those are my stats.  I'd say that for a mediocre player like me, the IS-6 or T34 would be good choices.


Edited by geographer, Feb 10 2014 - 19:57.


Painbringer71 #34 Posted Feb 10 2014 - 19:59

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You either move in your IS6 or get picked off.  Its all about moving it all the time so that people can not get a good shot on you.  I always play super aggressive in mine and it seems to pay off. 

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View PostTwixOps, on Feb 10 2014 - 12:32, said:

I am sorry, but you are wrong on two counts...

 

First,  the T34 is unarguably, inexcusably, unequivocally the best premium vehicle available today.  Anyone who says otherwise is either a liar or partaking of some hallucinogenic drug.  

 

Second, two battles is not an adequate sample size.  Fifty or more is my rule...that usually gets rid of any unusual trends.  

Let me stop you there capt anecdote. Stats on vbaddict indicate the is6 > t34 in xp per battle, damage per battle, and win rate. So no, you cant.just claim t34 is better because You think so and call it fact.



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Sometimes in playing the IS6 I find it to be a POS6.

 

The gun is so quirky.



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View PostBuzzkill15, on Feb 10 2014 - 11:00, said:

Let me stop you there capt anecdote. Stats on vbaddict indicate the is6 > t34 in xp per battle, damage per battle, and win rate. So no, you cant.just claim t34 is better because You think so and call it fact.

 

The T34 suffers from what I like to call "Hellcat Syndrome.", which isn't a real thing, but it's a grevious  lack of understanding players have with American tanks, in that many of them are meant to be hulls down peak-a-boomers or snipers, with very few "Head to Head" Brawlers in the line. Lots of folks use the hellcat as a scout, instead of a long range mobile sniper, and despite it being a damn good TD platform, it suffers (And avoids nerfs) because of this.



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View PostCptRay, on Feb 10 2014 - 11:36, said:

Personally i love the armor protection over alpha damage, i have been considering the Chinese 112 which is supposed to be a more armored is6 (but slower i think).

 

The T34 is a solid tank but the hull can be super soft.  I'd like a beefier tank that can brawl in close.   Any thoughts on 112 as an option?

 

The 112 is actually "faster" than the IS6.... but after playing both a lot of games, my fav is the IS6.....  If you like fighting, then it just does better, likely because it's harder to hit it's weak points especially from the front.

 

The T34 I couldn't stand personally since I like brawling.....  I'm not into finding some depression and sniping with only the turret exposed.  Plus, the hatch is a nice target on top, though yes one can move around to prevent such hits, but personally I didn't like the T34 at all, it's butter....

 

I like the 112.....  I think it's a good tank also, I do almost as well in it as I do in the IS6.  So, it's a good change up.  I use gold in both the IS6 and the 112, and because I do well most of the time I make more than I loose.  One doesn't "have" to use gold, but I've found that I do an average of 3 hits more or so when I do, so to me it's worth it.  Of course, with the next version in Premium credit bump, they might do even better credit wise even using gold, not sure.  The 112 to help bounce more "wiggling" helps a lot.  I use Spall, and I think the two accuracy related skills in both tanks.

 

Originally I messed up and bought the T-34-3 whatever, and I couldn't stand it the gun depression, so sold it.  The 112 is reasonable, wish I had gotten it instead of wasting $50.  Anyway, I love my IS6, Lowe, & 112.  Almost always the top dog in them (now anyway).



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View PostrEprEzEnt, on Feb 10 2014 - 13:40, said:

I like how he highlights his average experience per battle but doesn't highlight that he's only played two battles.  I don't have an IS-6 but from what I've experienced I'd say Ox is dead on.

 

I disagree.  The IS-6 is a nice Tier 8 premium but even using nothing but gold rounds, it still has a subpar gun with subpar penetration.  217mm of pen with gold rounds sucks, that is less than the IS-3 using the BL-9 with 225mm of pen using standard ammo.  Also even using gold your going to have issues trying to pen a E-75 frontally and while the IS-6 does have trollish armor, it really isn't that hard to penetrate with the higher level Tier 8 and 9 guns meaning it only really stands out in Tier 8 matches.

 

The T34 on the other hand is the only Tier 8 premium that truly is able to compete on a even standing no matter what map or Tier.

 

Also people keep saying the T34 has a weak hull and that isn't exactly true.  It doesn't have a huge amount of armor but the rounded slope has a way of deflecting hits fairly randomly and I know from experience of both owning one and firing at enough of them that the frontally hull will often bounce up to 258mm of pen from my Type 61.  The tracks also eat round and it can sidescrape fairly well and if a T34 gets hull down, it is very hard to dig out.  Lastly, take a minute to compared the Stats of a T34 and the Tier 9 T30 Tank Destroyer.   What you will notice is they are virtually the same except for the fact that the T34 only gets the second best gun from the T30.  Honestly the T34 is more of a Tier 8.5 than a Tier 8.  

 

 



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View Postroslanking1, on Feb 10 2014 - 11:44, said:

Lowe? hull down? hell.. Lowe sucks so bad.. I rage sold it

 

I did the same when I was young and dumb.....  But I recently got it back and I do nothing but kill in it now.....  I'm almost always the top tank in it now.  Though, when playing a lot of higher tiers it's of course harder cause I have to play 2nd or 3rd line, but when I'm near the top tank which is about half the time, I'm almost always one of the top 3 doing damage tanks, even usually above TD's, or at least the top heavy.

 

The Lowe is my second favorite tank now.... after the IS6.







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