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BigJohnsonLogan #281 Posted May 01 2018 - 03:08

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View Postpeloubet, on Apr 21 2018 - 15:18, said:

Dear WOT:

 I recently received a penalty lasting until April 28th. This is a penalty of over one week. i had allowed my grandkids the opportunity to play WOT. I would imagine that they mistook friendly tanks for enemy not know the difference. There should be an appeal process for actions such as this. it is very unfair to impose such a lengthy penalty.

 

View Postket101, on Apr 21 2018 - 18:53, said:

 

How is Wargaming supposed to know that your grandkids are playing?  By the way, how old are they?  (Technically there's an age restriction on the game, mainly due to adults saying naughty words in chat.)  Of course, there's that bit in the EULA about not letting other people use your account, but never mind that. 

 

There used to be a process for submitting tickets about team kills and damage.  But it was swamped by the whole playerbase, just about, leading to months of backlog in Support tickets.  That's why they went to an automated system, which they rely on completely.  Absolutely completely.  On the very first post on this thread, it says that discussions will not be entered into.

 

Besides that, a week's ban is after an hour's ban and a day's ban.  If your grandkids are intentionally targeting other teammates after two bans almost immediately, then perhaps you might want to change the password.  The day's ban should have brought some complaints from the kids about not being able to play.

 

If they continue to play without changing their playstyle, you're up to a month's ban next time.  The one after is three months.  The one after that is permanent.

 

Historically, the Soviet Union actually shot deserters during the German invasion of the motherland. 

"To prevent his soldiers deserting the front line around the capital, Stalin ordered special 'blocking detachments' to shoot all deserters."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/hitler_russia_invasion_01.shtml

 

Wargaming is a Russian thinking company. Traitors, deserters are shot just like they did back in World War 2.

They can't understand why this thinking does not work well in a video game, in North America, where being banned from a game might make a player never spend money on the game or ever come back to play after the ban has expired.

However, the problem with applying this logic to a video game where the game developer wants to retain paying players who will buy premium time, premium ships, etc, it's absolutely retarded.

 

Let's review the Top 10 Steam games today.

https://store.steampowered.com/stats

 

Top games by current player count
CURRENT PLAYERS PEAK TODAY GAME
 
593,672 1,990,013 PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS
314,350 672,306 Dota 2
190,669 455,403 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
54,509 104,954 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege
46,618 64,059 Warframe
40,241 47,281 Team Fortress 2
32,006 32,006 Stardew Valley
29,629 52,036 Rocket League
29,486 52,397 PAYDAY 2
29,419 60,705 Grand Theft Auto V
 

The number one game is a Battle Royale game where all the other players are the enemy and you can shoot them without penalty.

Which one of these game will do more than kick you from the server for a Team Kill ? NONE OF THEM !!!

I was going to show the player count for World Of Tanks, but it's not even in the Top 100 today !

 

 

 

 

 

 



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View PostBigJohnsonLogan, on May 01 2018 - 12:08, said:

 

 

Historically, the Soviet Union actually shot deserters during the German invasion of the motherland. 

"To prevent his soldiers deserting the front line around the capital, Stalin ordered special 'blocking detachments' to shoot all deserters."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/hitler_russia_invasion_01.shtml

 

Wargaming is a Russian thinking company. Traitors, deserters are shot just like they did back in World War 2.

They can't understand why this thinking does not work well in a video game, in North America, where being banned from a game might make a player never spend money on the game or ever come back to play after the ban has expired.

However, the problem with applying this logic to a video game where the game developer wants to retain paying players who will buy premium time, premium ships, etc, it's absolutely retarded.

 

Let's review the Top 10 Steam games today.

https://store.steampowered.com/stats

 

Top games by current player count
CURRENT PLAYERS PEAK TODAY GAME
 
593,672 1,990,013 PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS
314,350 672,306 Dota 2
190,669 455,403 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
54,509 104,954 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege
46,618 64,059 Warframe
40,241 47,281 Team Fortress 2
32,006 32,006 Stardew Valley
29,629 52,036 Rocket League
29,486 52,397 PAYDAY 2
29,419 60,705 Grand Theft Auto V
 

The number one game is a Battle Royale game where all the other players are the enemy and you can shoot them without penalty.

Which one of these game will do more than kick you from the server for a Team Kill ? NONE OF THEM !!!

I was going to show the player count for World Of Tanks, but it's not even in the Top 100 today !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not sure what your point actually is.  Do you want teamkillers punted or not?  In a free-for-all game where you're against everyone, there isn't a team to teamkill anyone on it.  And in any case, the Soviet Union was hardly on it's own in shooting deserters.  Desertion in the face of the enemy was a serious crime in any army you care to name.  Penalties varied - flogging, branding, imprisonment, etc. - but execution was not unusual.

 

Shooting your teammates harms your team's chances of winning.  Thus, because there are people who WILL do anything to sabotage their team, simply for their own amusement, there needs to be a way to discourage them in some way.  The current TK system keeps teamkilling to a minimum.  It's been proved.  I've told this tale before, several times, but one more time for the ...  (Australians would be able to fill in the blank). 

 

There was a test server where the TK system wasn't activated.  When this was realised, team killing went through the roof.  Obviously, being a test server, it had no effect on their regular account stats, but there's reason to believe the normal servers would suffer in much the same way if there was no TK system.  Because there are people who WILL do anything to wreck other peoples' games, and there are people who have no control over the way they respond to provocation.  When the next iteration of test server commenced, the TK system was re-activated.  TK's dropped to normal levels.

 

So, believe it or not, the TK system improves the game, for the by far greater majority.  Those who want vengeance at all costs, well, try the games he's listed above.



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View Postket101, on May 01 2018 - 04:29, said:

 

Not sure what your point actually is.  Do you want teamkillers punted or not?  In a free-for-all game where you're against everyone, there isn't a team to teamkill anyone on it.  And in any case, the Soviet Union was hardly on it's own in shooting deserters.  Desertion in the face of the enemy was a serious crime in any army you care to name.  Penalties varied - flogging, branding, imprisonment, etc. - but execution was not unusual.

 

Shooting your teammates harms your team's chances of winning.  Thus, because there are people who WILL do anything to sabotage their team, simply for their own amusement, there needs to be a way to discourage them in some way.  The current TK system keeps teamkilling to a minimum.  It's been proved.  I've told this tale before, several times, but one more time for the ...  (Australians would be able to fill in the blank). 

 

There was a test server where the TK system wasn't activated.  When this was realised, team killing went through the roof.  Obviously, being a test server, it had no effect on their regular account stats, but there's reason to believe the normal servers would suffer in much the same way if there was no TK system.  Because there are people who WILL do anything to wreck other peoples' games, and there are people who have no control over the way they respond to provocation.  When the next iteration of test server commenced, the TK system was re-activated.  TK's dropped to normal levels.

 

So, believe it or not, the TK system improves the game, for the by far greater majority.  Those who want vengeance at all costs, well, try the games he's listed above.

 

It appears you are as DENSE as the Game Developers at Wargaming. The future of gaming is the free-for-all game and no team damage penalty.

 

Kicking a team killer off the server for an hour, then a day makes sense, but the longer ban times lead to lost players.

Since this is a free to play game that needs to keep paying players who buy premium time, premium vehicles, it is completely retarded to ban hundreds or thousands of players for a few bad shots.

The competing War with Tanks title has a much less restricted team kill penalty system, they have also tested turning off team damage since it prevents having to ban paying players.

 

Wargaming Development is simply too DENSE to see they are the reason all their games are losing players.

 

Where are those players going ?

 

https://store.steampowered.com/stats

 

Top games by current player count
CURRENT PLAYERS PEAK TODAY   GAME
 
593,672 1,990,013   PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS
314,350 672,306   Dota 2
190,669 455,403   Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
54,509 104,954   Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege
46,618 64,059   Warframe
40,241 47,281   Team Fortress 2
32,006 32,006   Stardew Valley
29,629 52,036   Rocket League
29,486 52,397   PAYDAY 2
29,419 60,705   Grand Theft Auto V
 
 

At the bottom of the barrel
4,591 12,279 World of Tanks Blitz

 

Understand yet ?

 



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View PostBigJohnsonLogan, on May 02 2018 - 08:13, said:

 

It appears you are as DENSE as the Game Developers at Wargaming. The future of gaming is the free-for-all game and no team damage penalty.

 

Kicking a team killer off the server for an hour, then a day makes sense, but the longer ban times lead to lost players.

Since this is a free to play game that needs to keep paying players who buy premium time, premium vehicles, it is completely retarded to ban hundreds or thousands of players for a few bad shots.

The competing War with Tanks title has a much less restricted team kill penalty system, they have also tested turning off team damage since it prevents having to ban paying players.

 

Wargaming Development is simply too DENSE to see they are the reason all their games are losing players.

 

Where are those players going ?

 

https://store.steampowered.com/stats

 

Top games by current player count
CURRENT PLAYERS PEAK TODAY   GAME
 
593,672 1,990,013   PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS
314,350 672,306   Dota 2
190,669 455,403   Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
54,509 104,954   Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege
46,618 64,059   Warframe
40,241 47,281   Team Fortress 2
32,006 32,006   Stardew Valley
29,629 52,036   Rocket League
29,486 52,397   PAYDAY 2
29,419 60,705   Grand Theft Auto V
 
 

At the bottom of the barrel
4,591 12,279 World of Tanks Blitz

 

Understand yet ?

 

 

World of Tanks Blitz?  Different game.  It doesn't have team damage either, so no TK bans.  Try again.

 

This is a team game.  Not a free for all.  They give players more than enough chances to correct their behaviour.  That's not to say that there won't be a free-for-all mode, because that's already been tested.  But Random Battles are a team game.  Whether the future is free-for-all or not, the game as it stands is a team based game.  The numbers of people banned for not realising this is very small.  Far less than those banned for cheating, I would imagine.

 

I mean, "a few bad shots"?  Really?  It takes dedication to get yourself permanently banned.  The hour and day ban is usually more than enough to let people know they need to change the way the play.  And after a period time without doing team damage, the bans reset.  It's very, very generous.  To get permanently banned requires not just the hour and the day, but the week, the month and the three month bans as well.  You'd think that after sitting out of the game for three months, people would make a decision about how they want to play.  In fact, you'd have to be pretty darn DENSE not to get that idea through your thick skull.

 

I believe Aslain's modpack still includes SafeShot, which can help with accidental firing.  Can't stop someone running into your shot, but will stop you from firing if a teammate is in your sights.  Until such times as they actually remove team damage, this may be your best bet if you can't stop shooting teammates.



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Freaking perfect system !    sure MY A  SS    got banned  for 24 hours after some1 rammed me and shoted me  ... in 3000 game i shoted only the BITC$ who rammed me  ( AN ALLIE ) and banned !   asking to admin to unban?  CANNOT THE AUTOMATIC SYSTEM CANNOT BE CANCELED !!!!    PFFFF     great game...   lost my reserv and 1 day of playing..        thx broken arms     =X

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View Postti_lex0, on May 27 2018 - 09:45, said:

Freaking perfect system !    sure MY A  SS    got banned  for 24 hours after some1 rammed me and shoted me  ... in 3000 game i shoted only the BITC$ who rammed me  ( AN ALLIE ) and banned !   asking to admin to unban?  CANNOT THE AUTOMATIC SYSTEM CANNOT BE CANCELED !!!!    PFFFF     great game...   lost my reserv and 1 day of playing..        thx broken arms     =X

 

Number One Rule: Don't Shoot The Green Tanks.  If you don't shoot your teammates, you can't be banned for shooting them.

 

First page of this thread is the rules.  They say they rely on the automatic system entirely.  No second guessing. 

 

If someone rams you and/or shoots you, ignore them.  That way they get the penalties.  If you respond to them, you are doing what they want.  Don't get played.



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So today I got another 50 games without doing damage to an team mates medal, and later some jerk in a E-25 comes up to my T-67 and starts pushing me over a cliff, I try and move but am no in a position to get free so I turn and shoot him twice and get a 1 day ban,  What a stupid algorithm if it can't take in account the ramming of my vehicle and my trying to save my tank from being destroyed.  WoT you should be banning these jerks that are  starting the problems that ends up with teamates shooting them.  So tired of WoT and wargaming.


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View Postldselder, on May 29 2018 - 14:24, said:

So today I got another 50 games without doing damage to an team mates medal, and later some jerk in a E-25 comes up to my T-67 and starts pushing me over a cliff, I try and move but am no in a position to get free so I turn and shoot him twice and get a 1 day ban,  What a stupid algorithm if it can't take in account the ramming of my vehicle and my trying to save my tank from being destroyed.  WoT you should be banning these jerks that are  starting the problems that ends up with teamates shooting them.  So tired of WoT and wargaming.

 

If you'd let him push you off the cliff, the likelihood is that he'd get the ban.  Instead, you did his job for him.  You weren't hurting him by shooting him.

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The system is a farce.

I had a friendly O-I obliterate me in a match, he didnt even turn blue..


The system does NOT WORK

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View PostIronPagan, on Jun 01 2018 - 12:22, said:

The system is a farce.

I had a friendly O-I obliterate me in a match, he didnt even turn blue..


The system does NOT WORK

 

No, it does work.  Some people know how to game it, unfortunately. 

 

If it's an O-I, then the likelihood is that it was using the 15cm derp, and using an HE shell.  HE gets a reduced TK rating, due to splash radius.  You don't specify details as to what tank you were driving, or the condition it was in, so it's possible that splash alone may have killed you.  If he's previously had a clean record, then the likelihood of turning blue for one shot is much reduced, since the system does allow people to make errors before getting harder on them.



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I get suspended for firing back at a teammate who intentionally fired upon me first. HMMMMMM!!!!????

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View PostEatMyShrapnel, on Jun 04 2018 - 13:02, said:

I get suspended for firing back at a teammate who intentionally fired upon me first. HMMMMMM!!!!????

 

Did he do any damage?  And how many times did you fire back?  And how much other team damage has you or he done in recent times?  These are factors to consider.

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what if they team killed in the first 12 seconds of the battle and acted like they was proud of it 

 



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View PostThug_Double_OG, on Jun 12 2018 - 12:28, said:

what if they team killed in the first 12 seconds of the battle and acted like they was proud of it 

 

 

The system penalises them, at least in credits.  Maybe XP as well.  Moreover, they now have to be careful, as the system will get harder on them if they do any more team damage in near-future games. If you feel you need to add more, you can use the in-game menu to report them for Unsportsmanlike Behaviour.  This can be done while you are in the match, or with the after battle results screen.  Responding to them, though, isn't advised.  It just lets them know that they've succeeded in upsetting you, which is what they were after.

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Its interesting how this system does not take into account how many times I have been run over by my own team. I finally got fed up and after the third time I was hit by the same player in the same match I fired my gun as he backed into me for the 4th time. I will take the ban, but perhaps as stated multiple times here you should look at what provokes the attack. I like the game but this is a very poorly implemented system.

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I was hiding in a bush and shot at an enemy tank that was comming towards out base to attack artillery than he hit me almost head on I shot at him and was disconnected from the server with a 1 hour ban and I did nothing wrong I have the complete video of the game play and can prove it.

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View PostAydan1313, on Jun 26 2018 - 14:15, said:

Its interesting how this system does not take into account how many times I have been run over by my own team. I finally got fed up and after the third time I was hit by the same player in the same match I fired my gun as he backed into me for the 4th time. I will take the ban, but perhaps as stated multiple times here you should look at what provokes the attack. I like the game but this is a very poorly implemented system.

 

That situation begs for a replay to examine.  If it was a griefer, who was antagonising you, then you did exactly what he wanted you to do.  To upset him, all you had to do was ignore him.

 

Other than that, the TK system had to be based on what the game knew.  The game knows when you shoot at a tank, and when you hit a tank.  It doesn't know anything about your, or your teammates', motives.  It can't decide if something is accidental or deliberate, it only knows if damage has been done, and to whom.  The only way to objectively assign motives in real time is to have someone watching each and every moment of every game.  Considering there can be dozens to hundreds of games at the same time, with an untold number of interactions between teammates in any single game, then you can see that the TK system isn't that bad.

 

If you don't want the TK system to ban you, then you just have to not shoot teammates.

 

View PostRamback, on Jun 27 2018 - 02:46, said:

I was hiding in a bush and shot at an enemy tank that was comming towards out base to attack artillery than he hit me almost head on I shot at him and was disconnected from the server with a 1 hour ban and I did nothing wrong I have the complete video of the game play and can prove it.

 

I would like to see this replay.  You can't get an hour's ban for shooting someone on the other team.  That's how you're supposed to play, after all.  You can upload replay files to wotreplays.com, and provide a link to the replay here.  It's free.

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What about team damage in the football match mode that is happening right now? I had a match with a troll teammate a few minutes ago (username PROBROO) who, instead of playing, just sat there shooting me. Needless to say we lost 0-3. I reported him/her, but for this match type there is no credit penalty for team damage. WOT, you should ban players like this.

 

 



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Right I got 1 hour to kill, first Team damage ban & HOPEFULLY the last !!! I was on Cliff rushing mid with my super speedy Lion when a Rev french medium in front rushed off to the left avoiding overwhelming incoming fire thusby sliding off the 45 degree cliff into a rock and got stuck. Now I the idiot rush down to hope to push/wedge him out and get stuck with him also avoiding the overwhelming barrage. so the pair of us are stuck on the 45 degree slope unable to move. f course I try and the almost dead Rev receives damage and bam I am on the login screen trying to log in .... and it states "YOU ARE BANNED" ! WOT ??? F*ck,, really ! OK ticket to support ... I also explained flipping someone yesterday twice in seperate games considering I play quiet a lot atm. Now I know I inflicted damage flipping someone but he was more then happy and we went on to win the battle without any issues unlike the TKers and pain in the backside bu**munches out there. I did shoot a M4 in the turret when in the Valley as he moved into my line of fire and I aid sorry and he was fine he said he knew and it happens etc and then there is the start up of the battle move into position brawl where on Provence I rushed down the hill blind firing at the other side's hill in sniper mode not realising 2 heavies next to me are giving me the pit manouver !! whoopa team damage !!! 

So I guess 5 times team damage = 1 hour ban ? 

The so good awesome automated response from WG states a lot but realisticaly, we don t care the system picks up team damage weather accidental or out of aid dont matter enjoy your ban and dont do it again let this be your gentle warning ! Seriosuly I know life aint fair nor is the world but c'mon WG dont tell your customers this system is A) working B) the right way to handle this ! I will if I need to fish out the replays from yesterday with the team damage I roughly remember it and there is only about 100 games but what pi**es me off is by the tone in the voice of the WG response I can tell that this is a waste of time yet would be if I endured a more serious ban. I very much WG gives a flying f**k and this is what makes it so frustrating because I know the truth I can proof the truth yet they don't care and I loose having my time and money into this which makes it even more look like hey "we got you a gooden didn't we, you plank".

 

My point is this system is not the solution when people like me get banned for helping or accidents and others get away with abusing the physics and doing it deliberately, thats not fair !!! Says the 8 year old daughter Now WG needs to solve this and in my instance a simple glance at the vid would suffice now ok 1 hour ain't worth it but is there a heavier ban and in those instance can you actually appeal with customer support ? 

 

If not eg they feed you the same auto response I got and your innocent then how is that fair ? You spent tons of money and then can t even enjoy it, personally speaking Id buy a real tank and find me the nearest WG office and show them team damage but that s just me attempting to build a life size replica of the tiger in the garden so I wouldnt know what could happen if it runs I got a bit annoyed with WG but hey ho that hyperthetical bs.

 

Seriosuly whats the next ban after the 1 hour ban ?

 

Can you proof if innocent that you are innocent or does WG not even bother ?

 

This TK detection system & auto punishment system needs fine tuning, does WG recognise there is issues with it and will WG change something ? 



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View PostTAKL_82, on Jul 11 2018 - 03:57, said:

Right I got 1 hour to kill, first Team damage ban & HOPEFULLY the last !!! I was on Cliff rushing mid with my super speedy Lion when a Rev french medium in front rushed off to the left avoiding overwhelming incoming fire thusby sliding off the 45 degree cliff into a rock and got stuck. Now I the idiot rush down to hope to push/wedge him out and get stuck with him also avoiding the overwhelming barrage. so the pair of us are stuck on the 45 degree slope unable to move. f course I try and the almost dead Rev receives damage and bam I am on the login screen trying to log in .... and it states "YOU ARE BANNED" ! WOT ??? F*ck,, really ! OK ticket to support ... I also explained flipping someone yesterday twice in seperate games considering I play quiet a lot atm. Now I know I inflicted damage flipping someone but he was more then happy and we went on to win the battle without any issues unlike the TKers and pain in the backside bu**munches out there. I did shoot a M4 in the turret when in the Valley as he moved into my line of fire and I aid sorry and he was fine he said he knew and it happens etc and then there is the start up of the battle move into position brawl where on Provence I rushed down the hill blind firing at the other side's hill in sniper mode not realising 2 heavies next to me are giving me the pit manouver !! whoopa team damage !!! 

So I guess 5 times team damage = 1 hour ban ? 

The so good awesome automated response from WG states a lot but realisticaly, we don t care the system picks up team damage weather accidental or out of aid dont matter enjoy your ban and dont do it again let this be your gentle warning ! Seriosuly I know life aint fair nor is the world but c'mon WG dont tell your customers this system is A) working B) the right way to handle this ! I will if I need to fish out the replays from yesterday with the team damage I roughly remember it and there is only about 100 games but what pi**es me off is by the tone in the voice of the WG response I can tell that this is a waste of time yet would be if I endured a more serious ban. I very much WG gives a flying f**k and this is what makes it so frustrating because I know the truth I can proof the truth yet they don't care and I loose having my time and money into this which makes it even more look like hey "we got you a gooden didn't we, you plank".

 

My point is this system is not the solution when people like me get banned for helping or accidents and others get away with abusing the physics and doing it deliberately, thats not fair !!! Says the 8 year old daughter Now WG needs to solve this and in my instance a simple glance at the vid would suffice now ok 1 hour ain't worth it but is there a heavier ban and in those instance can you actually appeal with customer support ? 

 

If not eg they feed you the same auto response I got and your innocent then how is that fair ? You spent tons of money and then can t even enjoy it, personally speaking Id buy a real tank and find me the nearest WG office and show them team damage but that s just me attempting to build a life size replica of the tiger in the garden so I wouldnt know what could happen if it runs I got a bit annoyed with WG but hey ho that hyperthetical bs.

 

Seriosuly whats the next ban after the 1 hour ban ?

 

Can you proof if innocent that you are innocent or does WG not even bother ?

 

This TK detection system & auto punishment system needs fine tuning, does WG recognise there is issues with it and will WG change something ? 

 

You want WG to look at everyone's replays?  All the accidental TK's that happen?  Would you like that in real time, which is what the automatic system does?  Because it would take a lot of manpower.  The auto system was introduced due to the number of TK tickets backlogging the Support system for a month and more (I think it was getting close to three months when they introduced the first automatic system).  You get a TK-er who goes unpunished for over a month and you get even more complaints, because he sure as heck won't remember doing it.  (And recorded videos aren't as good for examinations as the game's own replay files.  The video takes up quite a few megs, while the replays take around a meg and half for the longest games (possibly more for something like Frontline missions).  And the video can't be examined from different points of view.)

 

The next ban after an hour is a day.  This stuff is on the very first post in this thread.  Then you get a week, then a month, then three months (which isn't actually stated on the first post, for some reason).  Go for a period of time without doing any team damage, and it will reset.  We don't know how long that is.  We just know that it does happen, because otherwise there would be a lot more banned players.

 

The system can't tell motive.  All it can tell is if one player damages another on the same team.  If you put loopholes in the system, then people start exploiting those loopholes.  This is known, because people already exploit what loopholes there are.

 

Is the system perfect?  No, no system is perfect.  Especially not when people are involved.  Every foolproof system just evolves more ingenious fools.  Just remember that if you don't do team damage, the system won't penalise you.  Get those Battle Buddy badges coming in :)







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