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black_colt #21 Posted Jul 23 2017 - 23:28

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View PostSmooky_Le_chien_husky, on Jul 23 2017 - 10:01, said:

Your match making are not logic For tank destroyer or all other tier 7 . Cant pen to fight tier x or 9 . For many time i use my jag-panther tier 7 always be the last button cant pen the side cant pen behind cant pen frontal cant pen the weak spot . for pen have using gold and is not my option for doing it 

 

A 8,8 cm Pak 43 JagdTiger can pen a Tier IX and/or Tier X with Premium shells, hitting a weak spot, flanking it and shooting the side and rear, etc.

 

That does not make it easy though ... nor does it mean that you will earn a boat-load of credits every game ... nor does it mean that you will not be frustrated by the vehicle

 

Nowhere have I found that you are guaranteed anything in World of Tanks ...

 

IMHO WarGaming has realized that they have introduced changes to the game based on faulty data [introduction of the Defender, the changes to the armor of the Type 4 and 5 Heavies] - they have even admitted so on video.   Personally I thought that I would never see the day where WarGaming admitted to a mistake - this is great news - we, the Community, need to keep them on that path with clear, cogent, relevant, and concise statements as to why we think a proposed change is good or bad.

 

Simply pissing and moaning does nothing.



ballbuster2016 #22 Posted Aug 02 2017 - 18:28

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ok, I took some time away from the game and I increased WN8 and win rate big time over the past month. Now remember, I took about 2 months away from game because MM is seriously so bad that I was losing my mind. Anyways, I came back and win rate and wn 8 was awesome. I was out into pretty equal battles...outcomes of 15 - 10 approximately. There were those blowout games but mostly pretty close games either wins or losses which is fine. I have been back about a month and a half now and things have gone right back to where they were before I left. 15-2, 15-5, 15-3 loss after loss after loss...and then the odd win. My win rate has gone down in 2 weeks .5 points. so, the first month was great for matchups and now, im assuming because your program needs a month to assess data, and has now put me into way harder matches to keep my numbers down so I will pay for premium and gold and tanks??? lol.  The teams are absolutely horrible...either new players or just really bad players. wthis this crap? In my opinion, players would be much more willing to give money to WOG if the game was more even. I think the MM program in respect of the tanks on the field being more even now is great. You guys really need to try and match up the team players better so that more even match's can be played rather than have 6 blue players on 1 team and 1 green and 4 orange players on the other team....no competition and u guys know it.. Lets be honest, who wants to play a game lilke that? Win or lose it is not much fun. Im thinking it might be time to look at what else is out there. WOT's is a great game in my opinion except for the MM program, it makes for a horrible time for players. I see more and more players freaking out, swearing at other players and just plain losing their crapbecause of this program and if they get out of line and someone complains WOG warns and possibly penalizes them...Brutal. What do you expect WOG????? You set the rules and when they are unfair rules and players get angry, you blame them. Gimmee a friggin break.  As a player of 5 years now I ask that WOG fix this game once and for all , even if it means making it a non-free game. Put a price tag of 4.99 a month for premium and im sure you would get more money than you dreamed of if you only "FIX THIS [edited]". Either fix it or I for 1 will be leaving to find another game that does not enrage me and works properly. I didn't sign up for this game to become a bitter, angry, raging stupid [edited], I signed up to meet people, have fun, make new friends around the wold and have fun...win or lose.

That's my WOT's rant for the day

And by the way.....This is another new account. My other account has approx. 40,000 games. I mention this cause I don't want anyone thinking that I was talking with only 320 games under my belt. I speak from experience as a very old player.

Cheers Fellas


Edited by ballbuster2016, Aug 02 2017 - 18:31.


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Doesn't matter what match maker does, they still put majority of players in a battle with a two tier difference with only heavy tanks being top of the pops, so if you use anything but a heavy, you are bound to have a low win rate, and even if you put money into buying premium ammo and consumables, crew, and other perks, you are still not going to be able to compete unless you are a seal clubber and used to playing with the elite players.  Wargaming is a money making business after all, and they don't care about your complaints, or mine for that matter, it is all about revenue.  They don't give a toss about the bullying, you get from players who don't understand the dynamics of their goal, or that one gets fed up with the bs in battles, as long as the money keeps rolling in.  MM is deliberately set up to screw players over, and give them financial gain.  Anyone who complains, puts in a ticket, will only get the standard message of response...   Hi.... We understand the inconvenience blah, blah, blah...

_GeorgePreddy #24 Posted Aug 21 2017 - 15:01

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View Postballbuster2016, on Aug 02 2017 - 18:28, said:

 i'm assuming... 

 

That's what I got from this tin foil hat conspiracy post...

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View PostDemon_Alcohol, on Nov 25 2015 - 15:38, said:

will you make these matchups better I am always on a team that get 1 or 2 kills a match total out of 15 players. other team is killing all. I am tired of this. it needs fixed now. I go 10 games in a row with straight loses before we getting a win. I don't expect to win all time but this is getting old and tired of it.

 

​I too am in the same boat. I can't understand how the MM keeps putting teams together that get wiped out in short order. I have gotten to I know when I am going to be on a winning team when my first two shots actually do damage, if they bonce off, ricochet, or "We Didn't Even Scratch Them" I know the RNG rolled my team up again as the losers right from the start.

 



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MM is terrible. Why can't the teams be one tier apart or not at all? You don't need 15 tanks, you can play with 12 or 10 on a side. They need to find a way to match teams by skill. I am tired of being a seal in these seal clubbing matches.  



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I have been targeted and bullied for years, and team killed due to my original gamer tag, then due to my stats, which after having owned 313 and turning them to elite status, resulted in my stats being low and in the red zones, however five months ago I decided to rework these red tanks, starting at tier one and working up, you have no idea how time consuming this has been.   My stats have improved, but not as fast as I would have hoped with my experience.  When I went back to the beginning to rework the red stats, I was amazed how many people don't know basic concepts of the game even at tier 5 level.  MM two tier differences make it harder to compete, and yet we as players used to be penalized for entering two tiers higher than our team, now we can't platoon with anyone in a different tier level, yet the MM can still do so, and they call that fair play...HMMM.  I shall now refer to them as the Ned Kelly WG Gang.  The only thing WG is interested in is the money they generate from Gold spammers, Gold Premium Tanks Sales, Camouflage Sales, and all the crew/perks you are willing to pay for to give you an advantage, and that's just to have a fair chance of competing and winning against these highly skilled players and some of the gamer cheats still in existence.  Many of our complaints are fixable issues, they just don't care enough about the average player pool to do anything about it.

Edited by Loopy_Wombat, Sep 16 2017 - 14:21.


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Liberty75 #30 Posted Oct 08 2017 - 01:05

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Strict template matchmaker (3/5/7) is a bad idea. Revert back to a random MM.

Smooky_Le_chien_husky #31 Posted Dec 05 2017 - 06:08

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Hello 

Your matchmaking are not Good . For how you did put t5 in to tier 8 and 7 .. We Cant Do nothing t5 not a place for tier 8 and 7 . same for We play into tier 6 into inside t8 in 9 match . i not know why you cant not put to the same tier or top tier . for we can do Good game  . many of cannon we try fight front tank are useless . this make us use apcr but same if we use apcr never go pen the tier are to big for t5 anyways . that is the problem . either many game have ghost shell hit but no pen or dmg soft like a wind . Only this i want said hope that fix



GReattaz #32 Posted Mar 31 2018 - 18:06

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This is outdated!!!

GReattaz #33 Posted Mar 31 2018 - 18:09

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View PostLiberty75, on Oct 07 2017 - 19:05, said:

Strict template matchmaker (3/5/7) is a bad idea. Revert back to a random MM.

 

They Run a grouping MM system for Ranked Battles. When they firest released it for Ranks in Ranked Beta 2 they released it for random battles also. It ran for 2 days will a bunch of cry baby pissy pants cried that now their Type 5 heavies had to face like tanks (E100, Maus, Type5, Now the 705A) and could not just go around derping the hell out of low armor tanks. Well If they go back to the grouping MM system for all battles then things will change some but not fully. It will be better.

freshwatergame #34 Posted Apr 05 2018 - 13:07

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First where is the legend? New to this chart. 20 sec drill!

Lamf77 #35 Posted Apr 07 2018 - 23:30

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Does this explain the WN8 of the team I am on is under 35% in 9 out of every 10 battles? I am decent...a little bit better than suck. But how can I get on the team with the 65% chance WN8?  

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Rommelman1 #36 Posted Jun 26 2018 - 22:05

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View PostHello863, on Apr 21 2015 - 19:14, said:

Jumping more than one tier is useless to play! Can't pen crap and your one shotted too much!

Wondering how much more fun armored warfare will be soon!

 

If you are bottom tier , you get erased with 1 shot , if you sit back and try to stay alive , you get yelled at in chat for camping or reported for inaction..if you move you die , you can't pen anything at all , unless you fire gold and even then , you bounce 50% of shots that should pen...there has to be enough players at each tier to make a 1 tier jump , 2 tiers is total garbage , and tier 8 is the worst tier to play , because you always get 10s that you can't pen....

in short... a 15-0 win or a 15-0 loss , should never ever happen , if the MM chart actually worked....keep in mind...in a perfect world...it would work....but it doesn't for 1 minute take into consideration the skill of the players... only the hit points...and if you bottom tier players are your best players and they can't pen , you lose every time...period...



TheMasterCylinder #37 Posted Dec 20 2018 - 02:19

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View Postblack_colt, on Jul 23 2017 - 22:28, said:

 

A 8,8 cm Pak 43 JagdTiger can pen a Tier IX and/or Tier X with Premium shells, hitting a weak spot, flanking it and shooting the side and rear, etc.

 

That does not make it easy though ... nor does it mean that you will earn a boat-load of credits every game ... nor does it mean that you will not be frustrated by the vehicle

 

Nowhere have I found that you are guaranteed anything in World of Tanks ...

 

IMHO WarGaming has realized that they have introduced changes to the game based on faulty data [introduction of the Defender, the changes to the armor of the Type 4 and 5 Heavies] - they have even admitted so on video.   Personally I thought that I would never see the day where WarGaming admitted to a mistake - this is great news - we, the Community, need to keep them on that path with clear, cogent, relevant, and concise statements as to why we think a proposed change is good or bad.

 

Simply pissing and moaning does nothing.

I actually find it very hard to flank anything in the 8,8 cm Pak 43 JagdTiger its very slow very poor handling some times it has a hard time flanking a big rock that isn't moving or firing back  - and yes it can pen some side weak spots but just  you still need gold rounds and tyhats after the buff 

I do agree on the bad data  I think the testing group (I don't mean the people on the test servers) have been the same for years  that really needs to be rotated quite frequently  get some new blood in there 

there are a lot of players with 20K battles that would help out I'm sure  



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View PostRommelman1, on Jun 26 2018 - 21:05, said:

 

If you are bottom tier , you get erased with 1 shot , if you sit back and try to stay alive , you get yelled at in chat for camping or reported for inaction..if you move you die , you can't pen anything at all , unless you fire gold and even then , you bounce 50% of shots that should pen...there has to be enough players at each tier to make a 1 tier jump , 2 tiers is total garbage , and tier 8 is the worst tier to play , because you always get 10s that you can't pen....

in short... a 15-0 win or a 15-0 loss , should never ever happen , if the MM chart actually worked....keep in mind...in a perfect world...it would work....but it doesn't for 1 minute take into consideration the skill of the players... only the hit points...and if you bottom tier players are your best players and they can't pen , you lose every time...period...

 

MM doesn't take in to account the hit points, first and foremost it's just the tier, then the classes that is why you get teams with 4 Maus vs a team with none of them.  you are dreaming if you think for a minute MM gives a hoot about hit points, WN8, skills, win rate , or anything else

its tier first followed by class but tier trumps class that is why you get battles with one team with a top tier heavy and the other not they both have three tier tens  one team just doesn't have a tier ten heavy.



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The match making is a real joke. The programmers are too foolish to include the strength of the players in the teams. So that gives teams that bad players against teams with all the good play. And if we write to the support they say that he does not want to include it. They are really stupid. After they ask why there are so many players who do not come back to play.

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I have suggested to WOT Support that battles need to have a level playing field. So far over the last couple of years that has not happened. Modern servers are extremely fast at sorting and certainly can level the playing field by sorting out tank metrics in the queue. Someone once responded that adding more metrics to the equation meant more time in the queue but that basically is "poppycock".  I would think that most players would rather spend a few seconds more in the queue to obtain a level playing field than to go into lopsided 0-15 or 15-0 battles.  Perhaps a player battle option for a level playing field or a quick battle would eventually produce the desired play choice. I suggest equalizing the tiers, equalizing the HP/tier, equalizing the equipment build out by tier and crew skills by tier. This equalizing or better leveling of the playing field should reduce the lopsided battles.





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